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[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, if it wasnt legal then we wouldn't have been able to do it to enforce school desegregation decades ago.

Those weren't marines.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And Marines aren't National Guard...

That's a different conversation.

But again, this isn't the first time that's happened. I disagreed with it the prior times, this time, and any potential future times it may happen.

But we have to understand what reality is before we have a chance of fixing it

America's issues are a lot deeper than trump, and the only good thing about trump burning it all down is we have a great chance to build it back better after. We're paying the price anyways at this point, we might as well get all we can out of it

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump IS violating the law. The president can't just activate the guard any time he damn well feels like it. There are specific conditions that are required, and Trump is flagrantly violating them.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/January-February-2025/National-Guard/

To be clear, I want it to be illegal.

It's just not.

Newsom knows that, but he wants "the fight" to be talking on TV and pointless lawsuits. Bread and circuses.

Neoliberals never want to limit presidential power, because the threat of a Republican having it is the only same reason to vote for a neoliberals, and even that isn't enough to win elections reliably.

Stop falling for their bullshit, we desperately need people paying attention these days.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Eisenhower had one option to remove the National Guard from Faubus’s control. The president could issue an executive order based on the Insurrection Act of 1807, codified in Title 10 of the U.S. Code under sections 332 to 334 (since renumbered as 252 to 254). Section 332, regarding the “use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority,”

Trump hasn't invoked the Insurrection Act. He is explicitly in violation of federal law here. The act that he used to activate these troops doesn't allow the president to take authority of the guard away from the governor.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-title-10-national-guard-deployment-los-angeles-authority-meaining/

He used title 10, under title 10 National Guard members are federal employees.

The argument is they're supporting ICE to secure the border, which like everything else I've been talking about, isn't new or even uncommon.

It's going to bounce around in courts for years before going to the SC which will likely side with trump.

Newsom and the MSM are lying that any lawsuit is a possible path forward.

They want people to feel like something is being done, and for us to give them credit. But it's just trying to run out the clock.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, sorry, I'm going to trust Newsom and his laywers over your amateur legal analysis.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

You think I write for cbsnews?

But all you had to say is you believe whatever Newsom says. If logic and facts aren't gonna work, this is pointless.