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Article is in italian I couldn't find any news about this in english but i believe it's really important to share.

"Sono attesi dagli 80 ai 90 aerei all’aeroporto Marco Polo di Venezia. Jet privati da Los Angeles, New York, Londra e Dubai scaricheranno in laguna un carico scintillante di star, imprenditori, supermodelle, influencer e tycoon. Il traffico aereo privato sarà talmente intenso da richiedere un coordinamento speciale tra l'aeroporto di Venezia e gli scali di riserva a Verona e Treviso. "

Translation:

"80 to 90 planes are expected at Venice's Marco Polo airport. Private jets from Los Angeles, New York, London and Dubai will unload a glittering cargo of stars, entrepreneurs, supermodels, influencers and tycoons into the lagoon. Private air traffic will be so intense that it will require special coordination between Venice airport and the reserve stopovers in Verona and Treviso. "

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I wonder how many jet flights do a single year of collective paper straw using offsets

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

according to this wiki article, over its lifetime a plastic straw will release 1,46 grams of CO2, while a paper straw will release 1,38 grams of CO2. that’s a saving of 0,08 grams.

and according to this article, a private jet releases 4,9 kilograms of CO2 per mile.

so: assuming you are using one straw per day, a year of using paper straws instead of plastic straws offsets about 0,006 miles of one private jet, or a bit more than 10 meters.

that’s fun.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

tbh, the real reason to use paper straws instead of plastic is that they’re much more biodegradable, not so much the CO2 use. we should use way less plastic in general, imo

and it bears mentioning that the CO2 released by private jets still pales in comparison to what the airline industry produces; the average global northerner’s overseas holiday is still very destructive for the environment (tho obviously not as much as a rich fuck using a private jet)

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you compute it per person I suspect a billionaire is probably producing (just due to flights) about 10000 to 50000 more than an average traveller (couple international flights a year).

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To be honest the planet does not care how you compute it.

Quick google-fu said private jets are about 1,8% of the total airtravel pollution. If you want whats good for the earth, focus on the half empty and empty commercial flights that big airlines do because they want to keep their hangar places. That makes much bigger part of the overall pollution.

I say: let the rich fly, just make it so they pay enough taxes for it compencate for it.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh no I am fully on board with this. But it still boils to the same source of governments serving the interest of the rich rather than the remaining people. Airplane companies pushing agendas and asking for government incentives while governments say they really care about the planet but not making enough effort to make train travel cheaper (international per mile especially) than flying. Fucking hell they should incentivize the hell out of it so that it becomes cheap as chips and people take flights only for long distances. So yes commercial flights are definitely also a part of the problem.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The planet does not care about taxes either.

The reason per person footprint is important because we can't just turn off all pollution. We have to gradually reduce it.

You can't just say to your country "by the way, we just banned fossil fuels", that will just result in you dead and a pro-pollution guy being in charge of the country next day.

The way to reduce pollution is to get more output from the same input. That is, efficiency.

Private jets are incredibly inefficient and are used by an extremely low percentage of the population. There's no reason to keep that 1.8% just to satisfy 0.0001% of the population.

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Just to walk you trough my reasoning.

Change needs money. That 1,8% can generates lots of money that can be used to fight pollution in other ways. We could easily rise the taxation and that 1,8% could turn in to 1,5% or something.

If we start to ban private jets conpletelly by changings laws, it will be long process and even if one country bans it there will always be poor countries or tax heavens that will find a way to enable it. It will turn in to a game of aviation wack-a-mole and the gran price of that work will be 1,8% reduce in emission.

On the other hand we could make bigger impact from commercial side while not losing tax revenue as much. Its hard to get real numbers but its likely ghost flights alone are close to same pollution as private jets, not to mention that average commercial flights has only 80% of the seats filled.

So my thinking in short is that any impact with banning private jets is dwarfed by anything done in the commercial side.

And im not saying private jets are good. Im against those. People just need to understand that they are very minor part of the aviation pollution.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Well I am glad I can buy a CEO 10 meters of flight time. My estimates is that our collective world wide yearly efforts can just about earn our top 100 richest turds their annual flight pollution.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, a quick Google search says billions of straws are used every day.

A straw seemingly cointans 0.42 grams of plastic.

So by using paper straws, assuming just 1 billion straws a day, we save 420 million grams (420 tons) of plastic.

Assuming it takes the same amount of oil to create a kg of plastic and a kg of fuel, that is 420 tons of fuel a day, just over 150k tons of fuel a year.

An average private jet has a capacity of around 20 tons of fuel (looked up G650 on Wikipedia).

So, the global paper straw usage offsets at least 7500 private jet flights. More if we use more than a billion straws, and more if we assume a jet doesn't fully burn 100% of the tank on every flight.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Thanks for the calculation. Sounds about right, according to the link below the top of the ladder billionaire flies about a couple hundred times a year and consumes about 2000 tonnes of fuel. So the fuel consumption you calculated is about 70 billionaires. It is generally true that the top hundred richest people in the world consume/obtain about as much resources as the rest of the world so that calculation is believable.

https://carboncredits.com/the-curious-case-of-top-ceos-private-jet-emissions/

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

More importantly: what's the carbon footprint of an anti air missile?

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago

Id estimate something in the regions of 0

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Probably enough to cover just starting the engines