What about his first term would convince you Trump wasn't a liar?

Wow.... All I can say right now is that I'm continually amazed at the lengths uninformed voters go to justify being willfully ignorant about basic facts of the candidates....

That theory works great in hindsight, but before the election the orange turd was promising to stop wars, not start them

Why would you ever believe that, knowing the people that surround him, his history of aggression instead of diplomacy, or the support of Russia and Israel, two murderous regimes actively killing people in wars they're waging?

Sure we all know he's a liar now,

If you didn't know he was a consummate liar before the election, you chose to be ignorant of his history. Or did you think the man who lied or misled* the people Over 30,000 times in his first term had a sudden change in behavior?

but before the election, going on their campaigns, how could anyone be sure which track would actually have more bodies in the future in that Trolley Problem

By knowing any of his history? Like, we knew who he was associating with. The people who wrote project 2025 were clear on what they wanted to do. We knew from the previous administration that he would target racial minorities and anyone lgbtq+. He showed last administration that he was basically in bed with Israel, so we knew he would be worse for Gaza.

Anyone actually informing themselves about him would know his horrible past and that he would have been more deadly.

You can't predict the future,

A quote comes to mind: "the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior," and literally everyone paying attention predicted he would start a war of some kind. After all, we knew that in Iran specifically, they were aiming for regime change at the very least. This is an article from less than a year ago, months before the election

On Iran, Project 2025 advocates a markedly more confrontational stance, denigrating diplomacy and the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in favor of barely veiled advocacy for regime change. The document outlines a new security architecture in the Middle East that builds on the Abraham Accords but undermines those efforts by deliberately making no mention of the Palestinian people and promising to defund the Palestinian Authority—a sabotage of any hopes for a Palestinian state. As the past year has tragically demonstrated, continued neglect of the root causes of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will only benefit Iranian proxy recruitment efforts and risk continued violence, including attacks on American troops and installations.

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Iran: With the Iranian nuclear program revived by the scuttling of the JCPOA, Project 2025 would now boost Tehran’s recruitment efforts in the region by deliberately sabotaging any hopes for Palestinian statehood.

And for added relevance to this very article

At a time when the doomsday clock is already set closer to midnight than ever before due to “widespread and growing reliance on nuclear weapons,” Project 2025’s solution is to ramp up the U.S. nuclear arsenal. The United States and the Russian Federation have not been in a more precarious nuclear posture since the end of the Cold War. The lapse of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in 2019 and the uncertain future of the New START Treaty, which is set to expire in 2026, further exacerbate tensions and raise concerns about a renewed arms race. In the Middle East, Iran is potentially days away from nuclear weapons capabilities after aggressively stockpiling uranium following the Trump administration’s withdrawal from the JCPOA. In East Asia, China has rapidly expanded its nuclear arsenal and advanced its missile technology, aiming to reach parity with the United States by the mid-2030s. North Korea has continued to enhance its own nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities, conducting frequent tests and increasing the range and precision of its systems.

So we definitely knew what was coming. Anyone saying otherwise is grossly uninformed or lying.

so that's like presenting the Trolley Problem as if the switch is 10 miles before the tracks split.

Maybe if you had a CCTV monitor showing you the split and the people who were tied to the tracks on the other side.

This is just a desperate excuse to justify your choice based on willful ignorance. You don't get to shirk the responsibility of your choice or the consequences thereof.

I know you won't like it, but better to learn the hard lesson now, than repeat it again in the future, right?

Uh, dude's been a known liar for decades. He made himself known well before 2016, even more so for the next 4 years. We all said this was going to happen, no one else is surprised. You were warned.

Bruh. Everyone with an ounce of awareness knew he was a liar. Since the fucking 80s this was well known. Known then, known now.

This future was so predictable that it was outilned in back to the mf future.

Believing the campaign of Biff is not an out.

This isn't some unknowable conundrum. And it's not the trolley problem when you know damn well that who's manning the switch will drift both tracks.