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TNO = trans neptunian object, basically far out dwarf planet

Obviously there would be less sun to greenhouse, but theoretically could that be a way to have closer-to-earth habitats far away from a star?

edit: the TNO does not have to be like Pluto, it can be bigger or have different conditions

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[–] AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

I don't think so.

Even out at Mars you already have significantly diminished solar incidence.

I think that past Saturn you probably start to have so little incoming solar energy that it's almost impossible to retain it.

EDIT:

Saturn receives around 1% of the solar irradiance of earth.

Pluto receives 0.064%. less than 1W/m2.

With a radius of 1188km, the absolute maximum incident solar energy is 3.8E12 W. (Assuming no efficiency loss as the angle of incidence decreases due to curvature)

The radiating surface is the full sphere, and using Earth's black body temperature of 254K.

Therefore, Pluto would be radiating approximately 5.67E-8 x 254^4 x 4 x pi x 1188000 ^2 = 7.38 E14.

In other words, you would need to retain at least 99.5% of all energy emitted by pluto. Mirrors reflect around 95% of visible light, and infrared is even more difficult to reflect.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Shouldn't the greenhouse effect be trapping whatever does make it though? I thought greenhouse effects could lead to a positive feedback loop scenario

[–] Gurfaild@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The greenhouse effect won't even start if the greenhouse gases are frozen on the surface

[–] AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago
[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So what if there is a temporary heat source (nuke or something) or it originated from closer to the sun?

[–] Gurfaild@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Intuitively I would assume that a single event would either not release enough energy to start a feedback loop or destroy the planet altogether, but I have no idea how to calculate that.

[–] AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

The greenhouse effect still has a limit to how much it can trap.

At the end of the day infrared radiation is still basically light.

Even on the cloudiest day, or when there is super dense smoke or ash, it is still not pitch black out. Some light gets through. If you are looking into a mirror, it might seem like it reflects 100% of light. But they only reflect around 95%.

You would require something which can let through 100% of all sunlight, but still trap 99.5% from leaving.

You could have a look at how one-way mirrors work, to understand the percentages of light passed through and reflected.

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