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So he said it would force MPs to be able to be played single player. Which, is wrong.
In the stream/video he is on a page that litterly says "this is what its not about" and he says "so this is all what its about"
Ok, I'll look more into that to better understand if that is the case. But even if he was wrong about everything, why is such a misunderstanding worth the drama and backlash? Everybody is truly up in arms over what seems like pretty mild criticism even if that criticism is all mistaken. Especially if it is all mistaken, really. People are acting like he said "fuck gamers/consumers and their rights", which is clearly not what happened. Disagreement isn't the same as disparagment or conflict. Reasonable minds can differ.
"Not only do I not support this, I will go out of my way to tell people not to"
"This initiative can eat my ass, the whole thing. It can eat my entire ass"
That's not mild criticism in my world. About something that he did not even understand in the first place as many things he complained about was things the initiative literally said they were NOT trying to do.
But hey. Sometimes people can be wrong. We make mistakes. But when someone refuses to acknowledge they were mistaken and instead double down.
That's when people get upset.
Do you have the clip/video source of this quote? I didn't see him say that in his critique videos I watched. I need context to judge it.
But at face value, I would still call that within the realms of normal criticism yes. He disagrees with the basis of the initiative. And disagreement doesn't mean that one or the other party is necessarily mistaken or that they are maliciously refusing to admit their mistake if unconvinced. They can just disagree. And even if they were being malicious or ignorant or too embarassed to admit their mistake, so what? Just don't engage, or argue in good faith. No need to swat the guy, make death threats, make weird personal attacks against him, or drag his name through the dirt across the entire internet because he is wrong or doesn't suck it up and tell you that you are right.
It was said during streams, but yes, I did find a video that captured it, the clips of the quotes end at about 7 min and start from where I linked.
https://youtu.be/GuTp4Am51i0?t=371
Yes. People can disagree, disagreeing doesn't mean someone must be wrong or mistaken. But in this case. He very much was wrong and mistaken.
And you don't have to try and strawman this. I have neither harassed, swated, or made any threats, at all, against him. Nor have I ever advocated for it. I have also not claimed anyone deserves that treatment.
Update: only just got a chance to watch it and his "eat my entire ass comment" seems not to be related to the initiative itself but to the way Ross framed how the initiative was going to be easy to make into law becuase of a bunch of really weird reasons unrelated to the merit of the initiative that seemed very backhanded and sketchy. I completely agree that Ross's comment were incredibly slimy and cynical even as I still mostly agree with the initiative. Just seems like people are taking the comment out of that context and getting pissed over something he didnt actually say or mean about the initiative itself. And, as i said before, I couldn't give two fucks about personal beef between creators. I know nothing about Ross Scott and have only seen him in this context.
Thank you for the link.
Didn't say that you are. But for some reason you are arguing with me while I'm just saying that he doesn't deserve all that. If we agree on that don't know why you're concerned with my comments.
When you're telling me there's no need to swat him, that implies that I seem to think that there is. Because why else would you bring up such a negative action and explain it's something we don't need to do?
My point was that this rage mill has produced a lot of extreme negativity and this post, among others, and the comment thread within, is propogating it. And, as far as I can tell, it is over, at best, Thor taking the possibilities of this petition as written to the extreme to illustrate his concerns for its vagueness. And even if he is dead wrong, completely mistaken, and now knows it and won't admit to it, that does not, in anyway, justify the position he is put in now. I'm not say that you personally support him being swatted, or getting death threats, but not letting this shit go after a year of bullshit, letting it fester and boosting the rage, that's what leads to that shit. Just let it go.
https://youtu.be/GuTp4Am51i0?t=395
Its like the most used clip in almost any coverage of this, I don't get why you keep asking as if its not a well documented thing.
You act like I'm living in the same rage mill you all are. Clearly I'm not. I'm familiar with PirateSoftware, but I dont follow all this shit. It is rage that has apparently been festering over a year and I am only just learning about it over the last week or two as the petition was hitting its goal, much of which I spent 16+ days working in the family fireworks stores. I am also at work now, about to leave. I googled the quote on my lunch break and couldn't find the video. Forgive me for asking for a source so I could see for myself.
Rage mill? The only one here that seems to be getting upset is you.
This is likely the end of pirate software (at least as he was), there is no rational reason to try and pick fights over this.
Where do you get that I'm picking fights? I'm telling people they need to calm down over a complete non-issue. Feel free to browse my post history to confirm. Scroll past the mayo jokes and discourse around time travel and spacetime.
And yeah, rage mill. Googling this story shows dozens and dozens of angry response videos or celebrating the SKG milestone as a victory over PirateSoftware, hundreds of hate posts calling him a liar (about seemingly everything, not just this), and a ton of news stories about the situation, about death threats and swatting and the guy stepping away from his indie studio over an opinion he expressed on a topic relevant to his work a year ago. Yes, rage mill.
And I am telling you (not likely the only one) that this is very much a real issue. What you are looking at is someone killing their career over the need of their ego to double down over and over. They have become a figurehead of the worst part of the games industry.
This is not going to "go away" anytime soon, and as Thor is still digging deeper will only get worse.
I mean this guy was just about the only opponent to this petition, he went HARD and is now being dumped on.
Again, I ask. Who cares? Like you said, he's just about the only one in opposition. The Petition is successful. His career is in shambles. Why is everyone still shitting on the guy. Why are people still posting about him and harassing him and the studio he worked for. Why not just move on even though he continues to disagree with you. How does that affect anyone now?
Again, I answer. A lot of people.
This man has allowed his hubris and ego to destroy him, a story people like to see. The petition is not yet done and is now getting hate articles done on it (odd that). People are still posting about him as he is now the poster child of a shitty industry most dislike. The harassing of the studio he worked for is news to me (and I think a lot of people as it does not seem to have yet happened).
People who "move on" like you are talking about are a modern day plague, its how we get the absolute clown world we now live in. Have some principle and integrity.
That's a pretty twisted way to view the world. We are fundamentally different kinds of people. I think are done here. No way we will agree on anything if that's how you think.
I am not sure you can say that after trying to tell people how to act.
If being active and engaged on a topic is a "twisted way to view the world" then why are you here on Lemmy?
I am also trying to figure it out, but the link you linked specifically contains quotes taken out of context entirely, choppily edited together. Personally I never trust shit like that. If you quote someone and don't give a link to full context, it's either because you don't care or because you're hiding something, and neither is good.
Not in the slightest in this case. He very much did say that live and also still stands by what was said. The idea that you need someone to walk you though it to such a degree is odd and likely is because you are looking for a particular reality that you can agree with.
Like I could understand if we were talking about some event that had opposing claims here, but in this case the man in question does not even deny that was what he said. And if you want "the context" more then what was on that clip, the live stream was just that he was made aware of the campaign and this is how he reacted.
People have been out for him since the WoW drama where he as a self proclaimed genius and WoW god did everything wrong and left his mates out to die.
They dug into him and found that he's a master at bullshitting and pretending to find solutions to puzzles, that he obviously did google.
He might be a furry and also changes his voice to sound more masculine. He claimed to have received tens of thousands of death threats after the wow drama, which is highly unlikely.
He never admit fault but always doubles down.
All of that combined brought out the biggest of hate boners in people.
It's definitely easy and justified to dislike him, but he's not Hitler or something. He's just unlikable for bullshitting all day, but doesn’t deserve real hate.
People don't do themselves a favour by having such a low bar for literally hating someone. They will just get controlled by their hate.
People pointed out in his comments section but he did not apologize or mention for 10 months. When the video came out saying he was wrong he doubled down and said he is actually right. And then kept doubling down.
He also lied and said community is attacking him to see if that will hurt the movement. Community in fact did not attack him.
Again, not taking the "he's definitely wrong" stance at face value. I'll decide for myself. Reasonable people can disagree and both br "right" from their perspectives. Regardless, who gives a fuck if one person is wrong and doubles down on being wrong when they have no authority to stop this movement (clearly, as it has been quite successful regardless of his opinion). That shit happens 1 million times a day on the internet, and often from big names too. The facts is that, generally, he is an ally to the gaming community, particularly for indie gaming, and this is in-fighting bullshit.
They are attacking him now, here, publically dragging him through the dirt, and I've seen it elsewhere as well for the last week or two. What are you talking about? Why are we talking about him now if not becuase people are pissed off and hating on him? I read that someone even Swatted him.
Yeah people take accountability tho. He did not say "oh sorry I did not read the slides where it specifically said the movement is NOT about what I thought." He just insisted he is right.
Also for the attacking part I wad referring to the accused reviewbombing of his studio/publisher. Sorry for not being clear.
Can you or someone share those slides, becuase I'm not seeing that either. I looked at the English language initiative text on the website on my lunch break and did not see them.
I have the timestamped clip if that works.
https://youtu.be/HIfRLujXtUo?t=28m32s