And if the Lucchese Crime Family or the Hoover FBI had been on its game, there would be a stack of photos of JFK fucking prostitutes a mile high. Probably even a few of him and Marylin Monroe going at it.

Trump's a gross slob. His wife is quite literally a sex trafficking victim, very possibly obtained via the Epstein Eastern European call girl network. But the fundamental difference between Kennedy and Trump isn't that one was a morbid greasy fuckboi and the other was an angel with his wings clipped. It's that Trump grew up in an era with a deeper professional (and unprofessional) backlog of photography.

[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

To my knowledge none of JFKs affairs were non-consensual, with minors, nor with non-compensated women.

Trump was friends with, and likely using his businesses to help, known child sex traffickers, raped children himself, pissed off his adult prostitutes and brags publicly and privately about his various sexual assaults.

I mean call JFK a whore but adult sex workers and consenting movie stars really aren’t comparable. And who gives a shit about the mob? Let’s not pretend morality aligns with the law. Not all puppies and rainbows but they’re not the same.

And I would say there was a lot of blackmail in the day. They certainly got MLK Jr. and all the JFK women talked, there were even hearings. His scandals weren’t exactly quiet. In fact they were rather well known.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think he put what was it his sister or no daughter into a mental institution to get lobotomized when it was first catching on. I don't care whom he sleeps with if it is consensual, lobotomizing your daughter because she is an embarrassment as a free spirit is a real piece of shit thing to do.

[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

Absolutely the Kennedys have skeletons in their closet. You’re referring to Rosemary his sister. She was actually institutionalized until her death in my home state. Another fun fact, Stalin’s daughter also died in my home state. We keep all the skeletons in our closet. We also have some of the most notorious serial killers ever.

[+] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To my knowledge none of JFKs affairs were non-consensual, with minors, nor with non-compensated women.

Right. To your knowledge. Cause he's 60 years down the hole in an era without the modern scale of muckraker journalism.

Even then, you're doing a lot of squinting to get passed how many mob employed prostitutes in the 1950s weren't consenting, much less adults.

And I would say there was a lot of blackmail in the day. They certainly got MLK Jr. and all the JFK women talked

I seriously doubt they got everyone given how frequently that man fucked.

His scandals weren’t exactly quiet.

The press wasn't eager to report on a beloved martyred president until 20 years after his death.

[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 17 points 3 weeks ago

I mean you’re absolutely wrong. Muckraker journalism and intelligence was very alive and well in the 60’s and decades following. It’s wild to say otherwise. They all knew and they knew a lot. No one was covering for him raping women or diddling kids. Flat out. Full stop. He wasn’t even known to be particularly deviant, just slutty.

His own socialite wife didn’t shy from making public wry remarks about her husband’s affairs and the public discussed it constantly. And these women’s accounts are very different in tone from the victims of Trump and the eye witness accounts of MEN surrounding Trump about his behavior.

A fuckboy vs a pedophile (potentially incestuous) and multiple-time accused predator are not the same and whataboutism around that is pretty wild. It is a very disingenuous comparison.

JFK was no saint, but he’s nothing to the level of Trump. And Epstein’s child trafficking ring is not the same as the 1950’s and 60’s mob’s prostitution activities. Some families didn’t even dabble in prostitution at all. And you can’t even compare them to today’s mob. Old families even into the 70’s and 80’s had certain standards of conduct. You can’t even start to compare them to modern global traffickers.

Hate on JFK all you want but pretending there’s some magical missing evidence on him is such a stretch and goes against a lot of evidence of his actual conduct. His haters are many and his life is thoroughly documented. Every juicy lead followed to exhaustion in his time and after.

Meanwhile Trump gives even his best buddies the heebie jeebies.

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

At least he put up for americas interests instead of lining his own pockets and creating division. And also, who cares? I don't care if a president fucks like there's no tomorrow as long as he's a good president.

This whole "Yeah but JFK" argument sounds an awful lot like "whataboutism" here. JFK is long gone, and even so, people still lauded him as a good president, people dislike Trump more day by day, and he's a swindling self serving asshole. A couple photos aren't going to change that opinion for either of them.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

At least he put up for americas interests instead of lining his own pockets

The Kennedys absolutely lined their own pockets.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

This is why they're still so prolific today.

However, the Trump family is still, objectively worse than most of the Kennedy's.

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Lmao ok but what in the world is happening in the second pic

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's Alfredo di Lelio, the pioneer and popular restaurantor of "Fettucine Alfredo" fame.

He would mix the pasta with the sauce tableside and hold it up to you as part of the service. Sort of the Salt Bay of its era.

[–] frog@feddit.uk 4 points 3 weeks ago

There is a great Tasting History (YouTube) with that guy.

He would feed celebs by hand. Lol. Eww.

YouTube Link

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

That’s Alfredo, the dude who invented (or at least claims to have invented) fettuccine alfredo. He ran an Italian restaurant, and when you ordered it he would come to your table and prepare the alfredo sauce in front of you.

Real alfredo sauce is basically just butter and Parmesan; the jar sauce you find in the grocery store that says it is “made with 100% real cream” technically wouldn’t be authentic alfredo sauce, as authentic sauce doesn’t use cream. Alfredo would put a full stick of butter on the plate, then pile the hot noodles on top to melt it. He’d grate Parmesan and use his hands to mix it. The butter and Parmesan would melt together, forming the sauce. Add some spices, and you’re done. The restaurant was popular with celebrities and social elites, who enjoyed the unique dining experience.