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Witches VS Patriarchy

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[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I don't personally approve of the whataboutism of the top-level comment, but I do disagree that death statistics are a reason to point and say "that hatred is okay".

If someone wants to say "I hate the fucked up system and all the people who support it", then I am right there with them as a straight white man. Shit's fucked, and is rapidly being further fucked, with malice aforethought, by most governments on the planet, and such policies are being met with thunderous applause. There are many people worthy of hatred. To make a blanket statement like "I hate men" when you mean something else is just a sign that you aren't being considerate of the actual words you say, and is totally unproductive as a starting point, serving only to alienate. Even as a staunch ally of any effort to eradicate patriarchal systems, I will not show up to support a cause that starts with "fuck you in particular, (by the way, not you, you're one of the good ones)". That othering inherent in the choice of phrase is chosen. Maybe it does just come from a place of trauma, but it is an inherently alienating statement to make, and expecting tolerance from the people you alienate with it, so that you can qualify your lack of consideration with nuance, and then complaining when people refuse to engage with what appears, on its face, to be a blanket statement of hatred, is wholly counterproductive to any attempt to communicate with allies.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is the best take. Imo it's weird to expect random strangers to empathize on a personal level when the conversation starter is essentially "fuck your kind". Then if you call them on it, you are accused of being defensive. Some people act like you cannot object to something on objective grounds if the playing field isn't already level, so the victim should always get a pass. Yeah, if I know you personally that makes sense. But if I don't and you're just going to make blanket statements like that, I don't necessarily understand where you're coming from and I'm not as prone to empathize. And I generally am empathetic. Imagine how this comes across to people who aren't. Or actual misogynists. They're just going to hate women even more. No chance they're going to see how shitty they've been to women when all they read is how their entire gender is trash. You can ask me to see past the phrasing and I might, but you cannot demand it and then expect everyone you encounter to abide, unless you're okay with a lot of pushback. Probably a lot easier to rethink your word choice.