Witches VS Patriarchy

As a man myself, I get it. We've been living with privilege for millennia, and the system is almost entirely the product of that privilege. The shift to women holding power, or even self-autonomy, is very recent, and they still have an uphill battle. And at every turn, men continue to fight them for it.

And every single post on this community that points out how unfair life is towards women has at least one person going "but what about men? You say the system is bad for women, but it's bad for men too!" Which is a whole other conversation you're trying to force on this one. And the system is built by men, so it's still men who caused the problem!

Side-note, the system of capitalism has made it near impossible to support a family on a single income, so both man and woman (in a straight relationship) have to provide. Don't blame this on women.

Slap Now, instead of defending yourself, I want you to sit back and listen to why the mistreatment I’ve received from others made me do that.

This shit is ridiculous 🙄 Well said on the “victims of a broken system” thing.

I think you misunderstood the meme, it's not a moral license to allow women to make problematic generalizations like "I hate men" - it's clearly still problematic.

Instead it's attempting to explain where women are coming from, to provide context that women are reacting to a situation ... and yes, that situation is different for men, that's the whole point.

So no, when men say they hate women it's not coming from the same place as women, the situation is not equivalent.

I think if a man was, for example, physically or emotionally abused by a woman, got PTSD as a result, and he got out of that relationship, and later said "I hate women" in private to other men and/or trusted women, I wouldn't feel great about that, but I would understand in that context why he would say it.

I think the rules change when you take the same language to the public sphere, including social media, especially when factoring in that women are in a more marginalized group.

But I don't want to get into that, out of concern for justifying society's irresponsible use of social media across the board. The thing I think matters more is that sometimes hurt people don't use perfect language, and in private conversations, you can better contain the fallout that can come from that.

If you say "People are the worst", nearly everyone will agree.

Say "Cincinnati Redheads are the worst", some may agree. But most will just kinda nod along.

Weird line.

Yep. The manosphere like to pile on this community to tell women they're wrong. The mod must be drowned in work I really feel for her

Men think its misandry because they've never been a woman. They dont experience the harassment or violence; and shockingly none of them will admit to perpetrating it..

taking the words too literally

That's how words work.

Just pointing out that if someone said "I hate black people" or "I hate Jews", you typically don't go digging for nuance in the hopes that they're not being literal, because even if they aren't, it's an incredibly fucked up thing to say and shows what kind of character the person saying it has.

I get what you mean here. I had friends who would say similar things around me before I came out, and I would also have conflicting feelings about it. Like, if you say that about men, and you think I'm a man, is that what you think about me?

But no, not really. I'd also remember that I was trusted enough to be there for those conversations, so it wasn't about me, even before they knew I was a woman too.

And yes, there are women who do have openly misandrist views. I'm thinking about the "political lesbians," figures like Andrea Dworkin who believe all heterosexual relationships (and therefore reproduction) are inherently anti-woman, or those who see female separatist colonies as the answer to all our societal problems. But these people are in the minority. Most women, most feminists, have reasonable views about men. So whenever another one of those "dear men" posts come out, I do have to stop and wonder why people give them the least charitable interpretation on the internet.