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That is a great review. Thank you. Just got it with a spare credit I had and it'll be next up after I finish Revolutions.
I really don't mind the time commitment. If anything I prefer longer form, more in depth stuff. Both Revolutions and The History of Rome (same podcaster, Mike Duncan) were very long and I thoroughly enjoyed both.
I highly recommend them both if you're looking for something in the future. The History of Rome is really excellent though he takes a few episodes to hit his stride as it was his first podcast. It's 179 episodes long and I was bummed when it was over and have listened to it twice so far.
Edit: If you haven't seen it, The World at War is absolutely incredible. It was made in the 70s so they got interviews with some of the surviving senior Nazis which is fascinating.
I couldn't bring myself to watch the horrors of the holocaust episode though. Just couldn't.
I just encountered another review of Rise and Fall that's probably worth considering. While I think it's probably still a good idea to read/listen to Shirer's book for cultural literacy purposes, it apparently is severely dated in its retelling of events in Germany. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7kld0l/comment/drfa12x/
New comment in case you've seen the previous one.... Has reading that thread changed your enjoyment of the book?
I haven't read the thread yet.
I was disappointed at first, but other comments in the thread acknowledged its shortcomings but also its place in history as a still-important work of literature. The danger is in taking it as the definitive source of information on the Third Reich. It sounds like Evans' trilogy on the Third Reich is the much better info source while still being engaging. I guess the right answer is to go ahead and read through both, but take the Trilogy more seriously. Shirer's work is still engaging and moving and there's probably still a lot of value in its retelling of events from primary sources, but his analysis of the politics and economics is oversimplified and American-biased. For example, he includes a testimony from a German engineer witnessing a massacre by the SS that will probably haunt me forever in a poignant and meaningful way...the kind of way that steels my resolve to forever oppose autocratic regimes and those who support them.
Thanks so much. That's perfect.
Thanks for the heads up. That's disappointing. I was excited to start it but I'm still finishing up Revolutions.
I'll have a read of the Reddit thread in advance though.
Thanks for the recommendations! Putting them on my list.