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My test for people is dressing plainly, by which i mean, not excessively well. I wear simple and plain clothing and have a plain appearance.
In my opinion, jewelry and cosmetics and all that are all very problematic. The whole feminism movement is largely about the fact that women don't want to be objectified, but then they objectify themselves, i argue. By wearing makeup, you're making yourself a "pretty thing", one whose superficial appearance is judged, which is arguably more problematic than helpful. Like, if you're a woman and talking to a man and you're overly pretty, you subconsciously think that they only talk to you because you look pretty, and that makes you suspicious of them and a little bit angry, which hinders the discussion and makes honest exchange of opinions a bit more difficult. If you dress plainly, don't wear makeup, earrings or any of that, then you can't think that they're only interested in your superficial appearance that they're interested in, so that means they talk to you because of your personality, which i think puts you in a better mood and makes the talking more worth-while. It leads to higher-quality exchanges.
I think people should be able to feel attractive if they want and not be objectified. I don't think men objectify women because they look pretty, I think we do it because we have been conditioned to think of women that way.
I actually prefer when women don't wear tons of makeup, most of the women I date wear very little or none at all. That being said if they ever decide to wear makeup I think it's great because they are expressing themselves. Either way I look at them as people first, even if I think they are beautiful.
I also wear earrings and occasionally a simple necklace. I don't think I'm objectifing myself, just that is how I like to look like. I think the same is true for a lot of women.
I know you don't mean it this way, but it almost sounds like you a validating the viewpoint of certain gross people who ask SA victims what they were wearing.
I think even the most knockout drop dead gorgeous people deserve to not be objectified. And whether I find them to be typically has nothing to do with how much makeup they are wearing or how much jewelry they have on.
If the only reason someone isn't objectifing you is because you dress plainly, that seems like they still aren't good people. I know it is a super prevalent though.
To each their own though. I'm also the guy who thinks people should be able to walk around completely naked and not be harassed or objectified, so my viewpoint isn't typical at all.
I'm not the one who down voted you by the way. I think it's weird to do that to people just because you don't agree with them.
I dont think men have been conditioned to find women hot any more than the magpie in the next tree finding her partner hot.
Its biology. People living in the middle of the jungle are attracted to women. They dont have any conditioned behavior at all except they want to sleep with them.
Hot people will always be objectified. But you can make the media say its not correct to think about them that way, so people dont express their true opinions, so it seems that the objectification is gone now. :) Its all for show man.
I wasn't saying we are conditioned to find women sexy. I'm saying we have been conditioned to treat women as sex objects and not sexy people. There is a big difference.
The clue is in the name. Objectification is when you treat someone like a thing to be desired, and not like a whole human being with thoughts and desires of their own. When you act like getting you aroused is their sole purpose and/or the only value they possess.
It's a learned behavior like racism or misogyny. And no, It won't always happen, not once we evolve enough emotionally as a species to treat all human beings with love and respect.
You are right, I didnt really understand. I have never treated any woman as a pure object like that. How would that even work...
I'm not a biologist, but i presume you're very wrong
I didnt really think about what objectified meant... I havent ever thought of a woman like that so its hard to imagine.
Check your misogyny pal
Wow I've always had this feeling with people caring too much about their appearance and you just summed up pretty good why. Never realised this is the reason
I'm married, but I find simple beauty like you describe far more attractive than lots of makeup or other things some women feel to the need to do.
makeup is self care: on a man or a woman… too much makeup, like anything else being too much, is performative and lacks taste… taste is an appropriate amount of something applied in a thoughtful manner
you wouldn’t wear a suit to the pub, but it never hurts to not wear ripped jeans and a shirt that’s 2 sizes too large… just like you probably wouldn’t wear an entire face of makeup to a weekly drinks with friends, but you might wear some mascara or concealer (doesn’t matter if you’re a guy or a gal these things make you look great either way)