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Not your fault. It's a shit screw design that should not be used by anyone ever.
You would be surprised how many people use the wrong size driver or bit, and then wonder why the screw stripped so easily. Yes, the design is bad, but using the wrong tool makes it so much worse.
Ok but how many people can visually tell the difference between a #1 Philips vs #1 JIS vs #1 Posidrive? (They are all + shaped)
That's not what I mean: people using PH1 instead of a PH2, for example. My more recent encounters with this is people simply not knowing that the difference in driver is annually important. So they clearly were just never told to pick the right size, or how to find out the right size.
Didn't Philips come first?
Only in cases you deliberately want the screw to cam out, like drywall screws when using a screw gun.
You'd be better off having a torque limiter on the screw guns, like the manufacturing industry did long ago. In addition to not fucking up the screws, the bits last far longer. Camming out is a shit solution to a problem that doesn't have to exist anymore.
Drywall screws aren't installed to a specific torque, but a specific depth; that's why they're a great use case for Phillips head. You don't care about messing up the screws a tiny bit either as they are single use, and new bits aren't expensive (and come in every box of screws anyways as they're a known wear item).
screw it, I'm not taking sides. but I have learned a lot already.
The uhga goes duhga and I sent it home to REFUSAL.
As usualsuspects said, you're wrong in this case. I'm installing some drywall right now, I bought specific Philips bits that expose only a small portion of the tip specifically so it cams out at the perfect depth in the drywall, so it's flush and doesn't go deep enough to break the paper.
Torque would not work at all because depending on if your screwing into a knot on the stud or a soft portion you'd get wildly different depths.
And it's only the second worst of the screw designs!
I would say slotted at least has the argument for esthetics. Phillips has nothing.
Robertson ftw