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A Princeton nuclear physicist. A mechanical engineer who helped NASA explore manufacturing in space. A US National Institutes of Health neurobiologist. Celebrated mathematicians. And over half a dozen AI experts. The list of research talent leaving the US to work in China is glittering – and growing.

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[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 15 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I mean… it’s not exactly an upgrade.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If it wasn't an upgrade they wouldn't be successfully recruiting well-educated expats

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Plenty of people made shitty choices. The moment they try to talk openly, they will regret it.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 hours ago

You sound confident for someone with absolutely no basis for your assertions

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I don't know. China is smart enough to realize that a country needs science and scientists should be enabled to do science. There will be censorship in some areas, but there's not a government that's just hostile to science in general and trying to shut it down because of some idiotically regressive dogma, as in the USA. Going to a country that considers it a good thing, and worth investing in, to lead the world in science would be an upgrade.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's right. It's an upgrade by virtue of supplying the material means to do large amounts of science. To provide the education people need, give them labs, tools and materials to work with. All of us would benefit from those scientific discoveries.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do they get to bypass the "great firewall"?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think that's necessarily the case, but either way the firewall isn't impregnable if you put your mind to it.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How do you get through the American firewall that blocks American access to sites the government doesn't like?

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

VPNs. You do know that that's a real thing people of multiple states need to do to access pornographic material and circumvent age restriction tech right?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Clearly I'm being to subtle...

Sorry, when it comes to China stuff I can never be to sure, people get very tribal about it

[–] sadfitzy@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There will be censorship in some areas, but there’s not a government that’s just hostile to science in general and trying to shut it down because of some idiotically regressive dogma, as in the USA.

You are actually stupid if you think scientists will have more freedom in China than the US.

[–] frustrated@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I suppose it really depends on what freedoms you consider important and how much you weigh things. It is true, in china, you cant be openly critical of the regime. FWIW, that is increasingly true in the US.

However, in china, you are free to not be killed by violence. You are free to get affordable healthcare. You are free to get affordable high quality food. You are free to get affordable housing (outside of Beijing and a few other financial centers). You are free to get an affordable high quality education. I dunno. There are tradeoffs. The US is increasingly offering less and less by way of substantive freedoms and is becoming more and more authoritarian.

Also, have you actually been to china? How much of what you know about china is based in outdated information from 30 years ago or might just be straight up propaganda? I have been in the last 10 years and it blew my mind and changed a lot about how viewed the country.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The scientists clearly disagree, and they'd definitely know better than you would

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[–] shani66@ani.social 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

Kinda is. America is on its way to being as authoritarian as China, just with a Christian bent, which is so much worse.

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 day ago

So much worse than being jailed for talking about democracy? At least in the United States we can all run to a blue state… For now. However, I am curious to see if Trump does anything with his super special banned words.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In terms of getting to do science without harassment, it absolutely is. Now I wouldn't go myself because I'm basically allergic to authoritarianism, but if I was another "I just wanna make rockets" guy it'd be a pretty tempting offer.

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ummm… In China, prohibited or heavily restricted areas of research include democracy, human rights, Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan, Tiananmen, criticism of the Communist Party, censorship circumvention tools, human reproductive cloning, genetic modification of human embryos for reproduction, stem cell work beyond 14 days of embryo development, unapproved clinical stem cell applications, organ transplantation outside regulated systems, unauthorized cryptography, dual-use or national-security technologies, nuclear technology, unrestricted sharing of genomic or health data, foreign collaboration on sensitive datasets, and archaeological or historical research that challenges official state narratives.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Anything's possible when you make shit up

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Saying something is made up doesn’t mean it’s made up

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Lol no but the complete absence of substantiating evidence does

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 points 3 hours ago

Prove me wrong by finding examples of each. If you don’t then you have no evidence.

[–] sadfitzy@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are actually stupid if you think scientists will have more freedom in China than the US.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who the heck said anything about freedom?