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Errrr, you can't pay me enough to work in China. Why go from an county starting to go towards authoritarianism to a country that is ALREADY authoritarianism. China is def not the lesser of the two evils.
Like. I get it. China is absolutely an authoritarian state. But it also isn't coming apart at the fucking seams, really seems to have its shit together, and offers a very good quality of life if you make enough money, from what I've heard.
It isn't a glittering wonderland or anything but you're not going to be deported for no fucking reason if you're an expert in your field (unless you get on the wrong side of the government).
The USA is coming apart at the seams. It isn't just authoritarianism, it's ineptitude and implosion. They're totally different situations.
China's authoritarianism is more palatable for the people who live in it because they don't deport people to random 3rd world countries' terrorist prisons. If you're valued, they make your life exceptional. But this all comes with the looming threat of "speak out against us and you'll go to jail without trial". So basically you live under fear in both China and the US, but in China you know what to do to avoid being a target and in the US it can be pretty random
Honestly, if they offered me a million euro per year salary, I'd go and be quiet as a lamb. But I don't think they want me in the first place and also they probably know my opinion of the country.
There is a literal concentration camp for theUyghurs because of their religion. They are sending jets and navy ships to sovereign nations all over south east Asia. Even building man made island to build bases to do so. There is a social points system that is designed to punish the poor and middle class.
You're watching too much TikTok bro. China is brainwashing you.
Lol I have never installed the TikTok app even. I can show you a screenshot from the App Store if you don't believe me.
They are sending jets and navy ships to sovereign nations all over south east Asia.
Definitely an issue regionally (and globally because TSMC), but a non-issue to anyone living in China (unless they have family at one of those countries)
Even building man made island to build bases to do so
I agreed, it's bullshit bad faith diplomacy.
There is a social points system that is designed to punish the poor and middle class.
Same as the credit score system in the US then. It's provincial, anyway, not a centralized system. A lot of people in China are saying it doesn't affect their lives too much. Many haven't heard of it.
There is a literal concentration camp for theUyghurs because of their religion.
So this is the worst of them all. But then nearly every single article about it is written by, or cites, Adrian Zenz, a notoriously anti-China reporter. The multi-million person concentration camps might be a myth. There's definitely some human rights abuses going on there though, even the UN has reported on that. But again, this doesn't affect most people.
We're talking about over a billion people in one country. 99.9% of them aren't going to be affected by any of this. Can you say the same regarding the systemic racism, the ICE raids, etc, in the US? And those are accelerating, China seems to be keeping their authoritarianism stable.
In China they also imprison the wealthy that exploit people. I may not agree with how China treats their citizens but they have some things right.
No they don't. They only do that if you become too powerful. Nobody can be more than Xi Ping. If you are then you get punished..
Ehhhh so and so. They imprison you once it gets too public. Otherwise they're happy about the money.
They absolutely are less evil than the US and by a wide margin
Care to explain?
Absolutely!
The US was born from genocide and built by slavery. We've been at war constantly for close to three centuries now. We have a long and extremely well documented history of invading and overthrowing democratically elected governments around the world to further our foreign policy that is still verifiably ongoing. We have military bases occupying every habitable continent. We have the largest prison population on earth both total and per capita, and we have explicit allowance in our constitution for slavery as a punishment, this is not a coincidence. We let our law enforcement murder people with impunity. Our elected officials engage in blatant bribery and open corruption without consequence, and we're finding new ways to lower the bar on that front every day. We surveil our own citizens and the rest of the world constantly, and we use that information to bully and blackmail dissenters into submission, and when that fails we assassinate them. Our government knowingly allowed Epstein to sex traffic children for years unimpeded because it gave us an easy way to control a bunch of celebrities and foreign dignitaries, and when he became a liability he was extrajudicially murdered. We spend billions maintaining our surveillance and military occupation networks while our own citizens die from preventable illnesses and the breakdown of basic infrastructure. We're actively gutting our education system, medical care is increasingly unaffordable and for people outside of major urban centers straight up unavailable as more hospitals are closed entirely. Economic inequality is worse than it's ever been, many americans have no hope of ever actually owning a home and are a paycheck or two away from financial ruin. We've always been fucking evil and we're getting worse at an accelerating rate.
What little military conflict China has been involved in over the same time frame, and the rest of their history for that matter, has been limited to their immediate surroundings, regardless of arguable justifiability the scope and scale are significantly smaller than the US. For per capita incarceration rate China isn't even in the top 100 globally, and their total prison population is lower than ours despite having more than 4 times our population. Chinese law enforcement and elected officials who abuse their positions are actually punished for it, up to and including execution, as are their billionaires. Clearly they also have a robust surveillance apparatus and aren't afraid to use it in support of their own foreign policy and domestic security, but we've got no evidence to suggest they're up to anything close to the sort of degenerate fuckery we've been committing. Their level of investment in domestic infrastructure is absolutely unmatched, they're actively prioritizing reducuction of wealth inequality and regional disparity, directly improving rural areas, and and their allies benefit from similar improvements via the Belt & Road Initiative & similar programs. Their citizens have one of the highest rates of home ownership in the world, around 90%. However imperfect they may be they're causing far less harm overall than the US and are steadily improving.
Is it really gaining on someone if the other racer ahead of you stops turns around and runs back toward you going the wrong way? I mean I guess that's gaining but it doesn't feel like the right word.
There are always isolated exceptions, but the idea to move from the US to China because the US is becoming more and more autocratic is baseless. China has been a dictatorship for decades, and it doesn't get better because the US getting worse.
The list of researchers and others professionals leaving the US for Canada, Australia, Europe, and other democratic states is much longer. This article doesn't make sense.
As an addition, a report citing a Chinese state-controlled media:
Chinese professionals eye Europe as US visa uncertainty grows
According to the South China Morning Post, recent uncertainty over the U.S. H-1B visa program has led many Chinese professionals to consider leaving the United States for Europe. Confusion followed a U.S. government proposal to introduce a US$100,000 application fee for H-1B visas. Although later clarified to apply only to new visas, the announcement triggered panic among skilled workers and their families.
Fyi this person is a full time anti-china propaganda account, just look at their posting history
You mean that when US starts blocking visa and cutting science budget, scientists look for another place?
I mean… it’s not exactly an upgrade.
If it wasn't an upgrade they wouldn't be successfully recruiting well-educated expats
I don't know. China is smart enough to realize that a country needs science and scientists should be enabled to do science. There will be censorship in some areas, but there's not a government that's just hostile to science in general and trying to shut it down because of some idiotically regressive dogma, as in the USA. Going to a country that considers it a good thing, and worth investing in, to lead the world in science would be an upgrade.
That's right. It's an upgrade by virtue of supplying the material means to do large amounts of science. To provide the education people need, give them labs, tools and materials to work with. All of us would benefit from those scientific discoveries.
Do they get to bypass the "great firewall"?
I don't think that's necessarily the case, but either way the firewall isn't impregnable if you put your mind to it.
How do you get through the American firewall that blocks American access to sites the government doesn't like?
VPNs. You do know that that's a real thing people of multiple states need to do to access pornographic material and circumvent age restriction tech right?
Clearly I'm being to subtle...
Sorry, when it comes to China stuff I can never be to sure, people get very tribal about it
Kinda is. America is on its way to being as authoritarian as China, just with a Christian bent, which is so much worse.
So much worse than being jailed for talking about democracy? At least in the United States we can all run to a blue state… For now. However, I am curious to see if Trump does anything with his super special banned words.
In terms of getting to do science without harassment, it absolutely is. Now I wouldn't go myself because I'm basically allergic to authoritarianism, but if I was another "I just wanna make rockets" guy it'd be a pretty tempting offer.
Ummm… In China, prohibited or heavily restricted areas of research include democracy, human rights, Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan, Tiananmen, criticism of the Communist Party, censorship circumvention tools, human reproductive cloning, genetic modification of human embryos for reproduction, stem cell work beyond 14 days of embryo development, unapproved clinical stem cell applications, organ transplantation outside regulated systems, unauthorized cryptography, dual-use or national-security technologies, nuclear technology, unrestricted sharing of genomic or health data, foreign collaboration on sensitive datasets, and archaeological or historical research that challenges official state narratives.