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Big brain tech dude got yet another clueless take over at HackerNews etc? Here's the place to vent. Orange site, VC foolishness, all welcome.

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Reminds me of this:

I think atproto is a good protocol, but god bluesky-the-company is dogshit.

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[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm so confused reading all this.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Their argument is something like this:

People might say something like "ai is incapable of thinking" or "ai is stupid", but if you replace the word "ai" with something like "women", you're saying something unacceptable.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"If you said something different you would've said something different" what brilliant rhetoric, your mom must be proud

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

OP isn't saying that, they're showing someone else's opinion.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

So they're attributing personhood to AI.

Before it has come anywhere close to meaningfully mimicking conciousness.

Are they stupid?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I always assume people like this are suburban white boys with nothing better to bitch about. I would love to see them explain how clanker is a racist term to people that actually experience racism.

I'm a middle-aged white guy and one of my only friends is the young black guy down the street. Having a giggle because I can see the look on his face while I explain all this. "I'm listening and trying to take you seriously while not laughing my ass off in your face."

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AI believers believe that stringing random words together is equal to consciousness, they absolutely are stupid.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Perhaps because it reflects their level of consciousness.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah that was my biggest takeaway is these posts seem to assume sentience in what's little more than a sophisticated "most likely next word" generator. There's tons of cool things that can be done with these new machine learning tools, but they are not sentient, they are not close to sentience and we may never invent artificial sentience.

The one thing we now know for sure is we can damn well convince people of sentience artificially far more easily than I ever suspected

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

We'll get true AI one day, but the timeline and methods are up in the air. I'm not even sure LLMs will be a piece of the puzzle. Guess we'll learn something from the exercise.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ah makes sense now! So if I change the meaning, then the meaning changes. Man, that’s brilliant!