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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 76 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Stunned that they're fucking with their flagship Office product. Without Excel, everyone could simply drop Office.

Been a sysadmin at small companies for 10 years, and that means I'm the one vetting and purchasing software. Last shop was all in on Google for Business and Google for auth. Worked pretty well, but accounting and HR still had to have Excel.

It's not even so much that other software can't do simple Excel tasks, it's the risk of your numbers getting lost in translation. In any case, nothing holds a candle to the power of Excel. And now they want to fuck with it?!

[–] towerful@programming.dev 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Excel is often used by people that don't know what a database is, and you end up with thousands of rows of denormalised data just waiting for typos or extra white spaces to fuck up the precarious stack of macros and formulae. Never mind the update/insert anomalies and data corruption waiting to strike.

I have a passionate hate for Excel, but I understand that not everyone is willing to learn more robust data processing

[–] grue@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The precarious stack of macros and formulae that you also can't version control properly because it's a superficially-XML-ified memory dump, not textual source code.

Almost every nontrivial use of Excel would be better off as, if not a database, at least something like a Jupyter notebook with pandas.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

I haven't even thought of that. I might just try this for fun.

[–] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I do bioanalysis without a sample management system. I recently had a 1000+ sample project with 6 analytes, all samples needing a few reanalyses due to everything in this whole project being complete shit.

I spent probably three weeks of time just tracking samples to figure out what needed what analysis through excel. It's so painful knowing that a proper python script could do it in a few seconds.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

What's stopping you from using a proper python script?

[–] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It's probably because Access fucking sucks, leaving excel as the only database adjacent program available to office workers. I would love to be able to use anything but excel on my projects. Hell, python and some CSVs would make my life so much easier, but I ain't going through IT to let me have that, and it opens up a HUGE can of worms in my line of work if I start using homemade scripts. The execs can pay for a LIMS system if they want me more productive.