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Many yanks don't tend to think of brummie or scouse...
Why go with two English accents and not Irish and Scottish?
My apologies in advance to the good people of Birmingham but it is well documented that the accent is associated with low intelligence.
That's only in the UK.
Brummie is the 8th most attractive accent in the world (to Americans)
As someone living not far from Brum, I concur. Brummies are thick.
Fair point.
Because Americans tend to have positive views of scottish accents. I picked the two most famous examples of accents generally viewed somewhat negatively.
Because it says British? Ireland isn't British
Assuming “British” is being used colloquially, as it often is, to describe someone or something from the UK, then there are Irish accents in the UK. The island of Ireland contains Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. People from Northern Ireland have Irish accents. Try telling Nadine Coyle she doesn’t have an Irish accent.
Interesting take. Try telling Nadine Coyle she has a British accent?
That’s fair. It’s not like the whole thing around Northern Ireland and Britain isn’t without its complications and controversies, to understate it massively. But that applies just as much to saying that people from Northern Ireland aren’t British as much as it does to saying they *are *.
People from Northern Ireland are legally entitled to choose to be British citizens. That doesn't make their accent British, any more than them cooking boxty makes boxty British.
I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue.
Is Ireland one of the British Isles?
Given that the people of Ireland reject that name, it's a very British thing to deadname them.
Serious answer - no Prythonic speakers lived in Ireland, so there is no proper basis for the name beyond people quoting a Greek who had never been there. It fell out of use for a millennium and was revised by a Welshman who spoke to angels as a way to erase the separate identities of Scotland, Wales and Ireland. His reasoning was that the King of the Britons, Arthur, had conquered Ireland (if he ever existed, he did not). I am speaking of John Dee who also coined the terms British Empire (it stuck) and British Ocean (it decidedly did not).
To expand on Arthur, if he ever was a real person his first historical record was written 300 years after his supposed death and it claims he was a war leader, not a king, fighting the Saxons to ultimately no avail, though the Historia Brittonnum makes sure to assure the reader that's only because the Saxons kept bringing in new troops and not because Arthur lost any battles.
Why can't England be part of the Irish Isles?