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Keep blaming a 1% of internet leftists for not voting a genocide supporter out of principle instead of the establishment for running Ms. "We will build the deadliest armed forces in the world during an ongoing genocide that I support".
Bernie was the compromise, and the dem establishment essentially antidemocratically couped him out. Now the dems deal with the consequences: they'd rather see Trump in office than a progressive (look at the collabbing between dems and reps in derailing Mamdani).
I know we’re just throwing numbers around here but wasn’t the margin like 1%?
Margin was such that if every third party voter voted for Harris, she would have at least won the popular vote, but barely even then. That means every last Libertarian and RFK Jr vote would have had to vote for Harris.
Keep in mind that the 1.5% between them had both left and right leanings.
The difference of dem voters between last and previous elections is surely higher than that.
TRUMP IS ACTIVELY COMMITTING MORE GENOCIDE AND ON US SOIL.
BOYCOTTNG VOTING BLUE OBJECTIVELY ENABLED MORE FUCKING GENOCIDE
Get it through your thick fucking skull that you people chose the PRO-GENOCIDE option.
No one should ever take you people seriously ever again. We have MORE GENOCIDE NOW because KAMALA LOST AND TRUMP WON.
Wanna know how we'd have ended up with less genocide?
LEFTIST COULD'VE VOTED FOR KAMALA AND MADE HER WIN.
I get the perspective, though I will say I'm not sure the numbers support that they made a difference.
More passively short sighted stuff made the difference "I don't think I'm doing as well as I should be, so I'm going to vote against the incumbent". It's frankly also the only reason Trump lost in 2020, people just saying "stuff sucks right now, I'll take any change I can".
The hard core leftism you see on Lemmy where they bemoan that the democrats are not at all any better than Trump may be very loud, but they are a tiny pittance of people.
If every single third party candidate voter rallied behind Kamala Harris, she still would have lost. I think the hard core 'by definition no candidate that has a chance isn't good enough' would be usually inclined to vote for some third party, just to be able to point and say "see, if you would have courted us it would have made all the difference". I'm skeptical that some overwhelming majority of non-voters were too far to the left to bother to participate.
You have more police violence in the US, not more genocide. There is no genocide in the US going on unless you count 20% of black males going to prison at some point in their lives, which is happening since many administrations ago and hasn't really changed that much since Trump. You had the highest number of deportations during Obama, didn't you?
Not everything we dislike about the US political system is genocide, I want to abolish the USA to be clear, but again: the fault of dems not being elected is Democratic elites who refuse to bring anything remotely palatable to the table. It was not "sabotage" that ruined the Dems chances of winning unless by sabotage you mean the internal one destroying every progressive candidate.
I didn't choose shit and I didn't sabotage shit, I'm a Spaniard in Spain without desire or right to vote in your country, that's why it's flagrantly obvious to me that choosing the least appealing possible candidate will result in elections being lost.
Leftists couldn't have voted for Kamala because they didn't vote for Kamala, it is the dems who lost the elections lmao
Right, it's just police violence that the US is
Building concentration camps: https://www.newsweek.com/ice-immigrant-detention-expansion-announced-map-2037263
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2025/08/29/michigan-ice-georgia-louisiana-prison
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/04/nx-s1-5417980/private-prisons-and-local-jails-are-ramping-up-as-ice-detention-exceeds-capacity
Rounding up and dissapearing thousands:
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-04-10/about-90-of-migrants-sent-to-el-salvador-lacked-u-s-criminal-record
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/9/25/alligator_alcatraz
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5428568/ice-raids-la-fashion-district-immigration
https://apnews.com/article/trump-south-sudan-djibouti-deport-supreme-court-50f9162cff680b5c8729873e11d514e9
Total normal US police brutality. Nothing to see here. /s
Are you intentionally ignoring reality or do you frequently try to talk with people about important issues you clearly have no understanding or context to?
Quick google search:
You can bring isolated instances as much as you want, macro data points to this being a bipartisan issue and nothing having fundamentally changed.
This is not an endorsement of Trump, this is a blanket condemnation of the entire US government apparatus, which should be entirely dissolved.
My dude, ICE just got a budget that dwarfs the marines specifically to become Trump's Gestapo and genocide force: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ice-funding-world-militaries-b2790466.html
And "isolated incidents"?
My dude, I want you to ask yourself, really ask yourself, were the rights of immigrants more compromised last year, or this year?
Did they have more of a legal framework to rely on to ensure their own safety and safety for their loved ones this year or last year?
We're facilities being built en masse specifically for an unparalleled mass deportation campaign (which is how the Holocaust started BTW) last year or did that start this year?
Ask yourself, was the active president trying to normalize sending the military to confront protestors last year or this year?
Shit, don't just ask yourself, ask immigrants. Ask scholars who specialize in the history of genocide.
You're too hyper-focused on simple raw data while conveniently ignoring the context of the reality behind it, and your data isn't even up to date for the current year who's data would most be important to have for this conversation.
Not to mention the very likely discrepancy that people detained by ICE and sent to concentration camps are likely not gonna show up on data talking specifically about US prisons for US crimes. Especially when you consider THE VAST MAJORITY THAT ICE HAS KIDNAPPED HAVE NO CRIMINAL RECORD: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-ice-immigration-arrest-data-1.7584212
Why tf would they show up on that data?
Also, do you genuinely believe ICE when they report back that their victims are alive and ok, when 1.2k ARE FUCKING MISSING FROM ALLIGATOR AUSCHWITZ? Which we only know about because it was closed down for environmental regulations.
I commend your care about the minorities in the US, I'm just trying to show that this isn't an exclusive Trump issue, the US system literally puts 1 in 5 black men through the prison system throughout their lives. I'm not endorsing Trump, I'm not endorsing ICE, both are fascist organizations. It's just that the entire US apparatus is fascist and now it's strengthening its repression inwards, which has USians worried. As a non-USian, it's sad to see, but it's what Democrats enabled by not doing literally anything during their rule and putting forth an unelectable pro-genocide candidate talking of fascist points such as the infamous "I will ensure that the USA has the most lethal armed forces in the world" to which the crowd in the DNC responded "USA, USA, USA". The way to fight fascists historically isn't to elect less fascist right wing, not even social democrats, but to organize in communist and anarchist unions, parties and organizations.