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Hmm, I wonder when they'll introduce UBI. I can't wait... (infosec.pub)
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I don't know how relevant this is now, but here's a link to another post where I expressed my thoughts on what kind of pitfalls you might most likely face -- https://lemmy.world/post/36867409

By the way, what is this phenomenon on Lemmy? Let's say people are reluctant to read and comment on old posts published just a couple of days or a week ago, but with new ones, it's a completely different story. What kind of psychology is this? Or it seemed to me?

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago

So your version of UBI is just increasing everyone’s taxes by $12,000 then giving that back to them at the end of the year? So your average person isn’t effected

Average income is higher than median income such that 60%-80% of people have below average income. I'm just saying that UBI is net credits = net debits before lowering deficits/discretionary budget through program cuts.

How is this different then unemployment insurance?

first you have to stay unemployed to keed receiving benefits. Young or other people studying without recent previous labour force participation are supported. Entrepreneurs, interns, and everyone else is supported.

You only get the benefit if you’re making no money / unemployed so in a sense it is conditional.

No. If income tax rates are 5% higher, you get full amount at 0 income, but a linear partial amount until net 0 benefit at $60k income. A 5% sales tax is same thing except for spending instead of income.

You are already doing that, that’s how taxation works, that doesn’t stop corruption.

Corruption stems from discretionary spending. That bridge to nowhere someone wants is because their friends would be paid to build the bridge.

Why do I need that rich person employing me? Me and all the other laborers can make useful stuff that makes us all richer without the employer.

UBI helps you do that. It might takes months to make the useful thing, and you're only paid after delivering it. You will need less capital with UBI, and more confidence from lenders that as long as they are paid before you are, they can loan for equipment/building rentals to float you until you make your sale. Capital is a genuinely useful function. A society doesn't need to grant it extortionist protections which is what gives it a bad name. Property rights exist in communal/coop groups too. Communal property is still property.

The capitalist will always try to lower wages and increase production to increase profits.

Everyone is self interested. It is corrupt power imbalances that corrupts the supremacist side into being absolute assholes. It is UBI that gives you the power to organize with like minded comrades on buying the means of production, including the power to invest time for future returns.