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It would be stupid to disagree with this.
The number of foolish idealists who will literally fight against their own goals to feel superior and like they are better for either actively supporting fascism or sitting by on the sidelines will never cease to amaze.
There are 3 major groups of morons to me:
The “lets make a third party!” morons
The “I am morally superior for not voting” morons
Of course, the actively malicious “I let the billionaires tell me that them fucking me was actually brown people’s fault” morons.
You are why the dems will always lose. You are why we have fascism. You are the problem.
Yet you can't articulate why.
You, I can only assume (as you didn't flesh out the opinion) either identify with one of the 3 examples I used or are assuming a lot more about my opinions than what I posted.
I mean you can read my profile hut the reality is that you simply cannot get the change you want in the time period you want and so you can shoot yourself in the foot out of idealism, or accept this, try to ensure democrats win, and push to have more progressives in the party through primaries, state and local politics.
Eventually this can be a winning strategy, but it's slow, unfun and requires you to continue to support a party and people you dislike while the slow painful change occurs.
You are the problem and you can't understand why.
No, I'm part of the solution you'd rather ignore for an opinion you can't even seem to express.
Prove it. Or just, like, please stop. You've already made enough problems that might fucking kill me.
Sealioning start attempt number 1 eh?
If you don't have substantive arguments, your comments aren't helpful. There is nothing really to talk about.
Historically, the fastest way to defeat authoritarianism is to first abandon the captured opposition party.
Oh yeah dude, I'm sure that is
True
Applicable here where the parties have clear difference sin policies and outcomes and have for years before the fascist takeover.
Well said! And the comments here illustrate nearly all of your examples perfectly. But that’s lemmy for ya. It’s basically an idealized version of Reddit before it grew up.
There is another major group of morons in American politics:
I would argue this group of morons is a big reason why the American right got swallowed up by MAGA and why the American left is always incompetent and useless. They paralyze any political progress, open the door for extremism, ostracize the public, and then have the gall to blame everyone else nothing being done.
Third party wouldn't be a bad idea if we didn't have first past the post.
But we do, hence it's just supporting the worst.
Eliminating it is impossible without first getting to a point so far in the future that any thoughts of it are completely irrelevant right now.
You obviously know that they have a winner takes all/2 party system.
That also means you know that within the 2 options, there is only one clear option.
This comment therefore could not possibly have been meant to be productive.
Lastly, I am not American.
there were people parroting this "choose the lesser evil" shit regarding US politics a good 150+ years ago...it was wrong then and it's wrong now.
choosing the lesser evil instead of doing the right thing is how stuff got as bad as it is now, why would repeating that action somehow work this time?
Brain dead take that pretends there is a magic third option.
You types can always say what is wrong, but inevitably when asked what is right, you have either the most ridiculous, obviously impossible plan ever or one that straight up helps the worse evil.
I'm all ears though. Lets hear your genius "the right thing" that I'm sure is so realistic.
could start by not having candidates deny basic observable objective reality during interviews, nobody wants to vote for a lier.
but if you have to choose between two liers, choosing the worse one...the one open and proud in their corruption, is the just the smart move.
I know the republican is going to try and fuck me over if i don't pay his game, and probably still will try to fuck me over even if i do. the establishment dem? them...i have to do a wholeass prope into their entire life history to see when/where their corruption will fuck me over.
playing with the devil you know vs the one you don't is just good business sense.
so...for starters, maybe don't deny the US has been supporting a genocidal theocracy for decades, all just to destablize the ME, test weapons, and generally ratfuck public funds for our MIC.
This is not a plan for what the people should do. This is hoping that the party magically changes without your input.
This is an insane take. Basically "Its ok to let minorities die because at least the people killing them are honest".
The crazy thing is, they're not.
Trump admin by all accounts lies the most of any.
Which is so, because they aren't anywhere near as bad.
Except thats just a naive and childish take of the situation.
And as expected, just some fantasy wishing and no actual plan.
obviously the trump admin lies about everything...that's why most people vote R...as I said they're predictable in their corruption/backroom deals, if you want to do business in their states you must pay their bribes.
dems arent, are you dealing with a snake like Schumer/Pelosi? A Dino like Fetterman? or worse, someone naive to how the world works? and sure...somewhere in that pile of shit and mediocrity there are some diamonds, but who the fuck wants to dig through shit to find it?
anyone can plan for max pain, so it becomes easy to protect your own family/business/local community/not too mention make a shitload of $ off the ~~stock market~~ casino
This is such poor reasoning I don't think its worth it to continue.
You have a hard time figuring what is good or bad with one party, indicating its mixed, and have an easy time knowing its all bad with a different party, so you choose all bad?
Just insanity. This is toddler logic. Actually, I don't think toddlers are this bad at decision making.
This literally makes no sense and is something an edgy teen who doesnt understand shit or an out of touch rich person knowing they can buy up all the things poor people are losing would say.
...the majority of this country lives paycheck-to-paycheck and reads at a 6-8th grade level... do you honestly think they're using advanced logic?
most are acting on pure emotion and instincts, most don't even have the freetime to pay attention to politics even if they wanted to. those are the people anyone trying to change this fucked up game needs to reach, and you won't reach those people by lying to them about basic objective reality.
now...giving them 5% of the truth and filling the rest in with bullshit...that'll work, as long as the other option still refuses to acknowledge objective reality
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