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I've been thinking about this for a while, and the longer I've sat with it the more uncomfortable I feel about the lyrics in Thirteenth Step.

I've loved the music on the album ever since I first heard it, and A Perfect Circle have been one of my favourite bands since I was a teenager. But the older I get, the more I hear a cruelty and vindictiveness in Maynard's lyrics on this album.

In the context of the album's theme of addiction and recovery, the lyrics of songs like The Outsider don't sit comfortably with me. It's something I've noticed more and more with Maynard's lyrics in general: they're often about his disappointment in other people, his judgement of them. On an album about addiction and recovery, there doesn't feel like there's much empathy or compassion.

I think I'm falling out of love with Thirteenth Step.

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[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I’m going to have to listen to this again. I think it’s more about righteous anger at those that refuse to help themselves that sticks in my memory re: Maynard’s lyrics.

Perhaps now that I’m older they may hit differently.

[–] gid@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A lot of the lyrics on Thirteenth Step feel like they come from a place of judgement and cynicism at an addict's recovery. I get it's a concept album, and this is Maynard's take on the issue as he experiences it. But the more I listen to it the more I realise I don't relate to it at all. So I feel like I'm saying goodbye to an album that I used to enjoy musically.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

It’s not uncommon to outgrow artists and things we like. Good for you for recognizing why.

[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Im goong to break from the consensu here a bit- I think everyone's missing a big piece of this album, and its right there in the title.

The 13th step refers to a long time AA member targetting new commers, exploiting their vulnerability for sex.

The album is the first person narrative of one of these sociopathic users (of heroin, but of women he picks up from NA, too) from their POV, to their victim, 'you'

'The package' is them, disillusioned with the NA program, going to a meeting to find a victim.

'Weak and powerless' is really just establishing the main character is still an addict, and usin, Their someone who is currently succumbing to the addiction.

'The noose' is them tearing down the partner. Cynical about their newfound hope, and initial successes with the program, and turning it into a chain theyll inevitably get dragged down with

Apparently they won out, as in 'blue,' the narrator is describing them relapsing together, and nodding off to watching them nod out, OD and die. 'Vanishing' is them getting over their loss, and moving on, like the smoke from the binge cleaning from the air (and the smoke having been an allusion to the smoke before fire- her nodding off being the warning sign of the fire, the OD he chose to ignore)

I think theres kind of a fork i the narative here here, or maybe weve skipped all the way onto the next relationship, but in this cycle, shes still alive, and in 'a stranger' and were in the gaslighting/ victim blaming stage of a temporary breakup, blaming her for their failing at sobriety.

In 'the outsider' hes now responding to his partner's suicidalness, coldly pushing her away, litterally telling her shes being a drama queen and if shes going to do it, do it elsewhere.

In 'The nurse who loved me' shes now in a mental hospital. She's drugged up, laying on the carpet (post suicide attempt?) And hes flirting with the nurse trying to take her home and hoping hw might score some drugs off her.

'Pet' has her now out of the hospital, release back into his care, and now completely broken and dependent on him, isolated from everyone else.

I think gravity can be read a couple ways- us he finally trying to break the cycle, and his own addiction?

Is tail in hand a reference to him 'chasing the dragon' and finally having caught it- ODing himself (surrendering to gravity and the unknown) and calling out to someone to save him?

What's notable is the lack of 'You' in this song. Every other song has referred to the girl in the second person, as 'you', and shes seemingly absent.

[–] gid@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago

That's a very interesting point. I didn't interpret the album in this way, but even doing so I'm still put off. That's purely a personal thing, and I'm in not suggesting this is a bad album because the sentiment in it (whether personally felt by the lyricist or just an invention from the perspective of a flawed character) is something I don't share.

My reaction to lyrics has become uncomfortable to the point where I no longer enjoy the album, and so I guess I'm grieving the loss of my love for this album.