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🐆 Right-wing trans woman finds out "gender-criticals" cannot be reasoned with (infosec.pub)

submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by Armand1@lemmy.world to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world

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...I could have told you that 🤷

Source: https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1984574165643403370

Not my usual kind of source (Xitter), but I want any centrists out there who ask trans people to "just get along" / compromise with actual hate groups that want them eradicated to know that it doesn't work.

There is no such thing as a reasonable bigot, by definition.

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[–] bss03 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Data is not the plural of anecdote. As has been pointed out elsewhere in the thread, many countries have OTC HRT and do not have significantly higher morbidity or mortality rates associated with those materials. Your experiences, in the form you've shared them, are NOT citeable. So, we're still at "Citation Needed" stage.

I think that uneducated or gullible people deserve full bodily autonomy, even if that means bad results from their choices.

Certainly, educated and sophisticated people can also get bad results from their choices; I see no reason to deny them to anyone else.

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I think that uneducated or gullible people deserve full bodily autonomy, even if that means bad results from their choices.

There is a difference between safety regulation and paternalism that I think you are failing to parse. As a society, we share a collective responsibility to build safeguards and fail-safes into the structures of our environment for the protection of those among us that need help. Unfettered freedom and rugged individualism with "full bodily autonomy" is a recipe for disaster.

many countries have OTC HRT and do not have significantly higher morbidity or mortality rates

And many of those countries have wildly different healthcare systems and health culture. The American population is so utterly bombarded with misinformation (including from our own government and regulatory bodies now) that I don't see phenomena or results from other countries as fully applicable to Americans. There are tons of studies about vastly different outcomes of treatments or interventions in other countries (especially Scandinavian countries) that I do not apply to my clinical practice because a lot of those results are heavily confounded by factors that the study doesn't account for like cultural diet, healthcare access, amelioration of poverty, and genetics that would skew the results into uselessness in America. So, I'd love to get a list of these countries you're talking about because if they're civilized countries with accessible healthcare, it's not even an apples to oranges comparison; more like apples to chunks of concrete.

[–] bss03 0 points 5 hours ago

There is a difference between safety regulation and paternalism that I think you are failing to parse.

There is a fundamental right to bodily autonomy that you aren't valuing.

You can call it whatever you want, if you prevent a person from self-administering any substance, you are violating their human rights.

On top of that, many, many OTC substances are much more lethal than HRT, so the risks of HRT cannot be great enough to justify them not being available OTC.