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The first two are examples of negativity/brainrot and divisiveness. If those were in isolation I wouldn't complain, but it's just adding to the list of bad posts.
I'm not arguing the veracity of the claims on that site, but if you look at all their articles they NEVER list sources. Why link this over anything else? Compare that to the Time article https://time.com/7329777/trump-xi-meeting-korea-us-china-trade-deal-tariffs-takeaways/ Sources everywhere and it's better fuller information. Again not misinformation, but it's a garbage website with no sources and no context.
As an aside, we may wonder why they didn't post the Time article instead? Hmm....
Ok sure, but you're comparing instances that are not very popular to something that is the identity of that instance i.e. being a conservative. Either way at best it's preaching to the choir or ragebait depending on your leaning, so just not a good post.
The quote is not only about the conservatives. He is saying those who support tucker Carlson for criticizing Israel are the Hitler youth. Go watch the video the guy basically says people who support hamas and criticize Israel are evil. I don't want to see this hateful garbage why are they posting it? It's not even relevant to politics it's just some random guy spreading hate. I can criticize Israel and agree with tucker Carlson on that point, he didn't even say anything about hamas but just criticizing Israel = antisemite and nazi like wtf...
Wut the fcc head literally said "if he's not dealt with there will be consequences" that is about as explicit of a threat as you can get, am I misunderstanding something? Trump admin lying doesn't make it any less obvious why it happened.
Sure if the instance mods remove all the misinfo and hatred, I'm all for an actual debate on immigration, universal healthcare etc. But right now there is less than 0 value on that instance. Those posts were not funny, they were not informative, they were not thought provoking. Every post that wasn't garbage was just a less informative source or something some right wing person said (besides the 5ish posts about green party and how 2 party is bad, legitimately good posts). That mixed with a healthy dose of misinformation (not bias, pure undeniable falsehoods and misrepresentation) makes me not want to ever see a single post from it. Maybe they will change in the future and we refederate, I wouldn't oppose that. But right now it's just not good. You said it yourself nypost is garbage, go look how many posts are from there and imagine some random lemmy user reading it not knowing it's garbage.
If you want to go down that direction, I can point to a half-dozen or more communities that allow those types of posts, just in the other direction.
It has the right headline for the message they want to discuss in their community.
Look at the sketchy articles I've linked, or sketchy articles in explicitly biased communities on this instance and others federated with it, and that's the exact same trend. People link things because the headline says what they'd like to discuss.
How many people in !occupydemocrats@sh.itjust.works looks into the sources from stuff they post? What about !politicalmemes@lemmy.world? They're remarkably similar to how !conservative@maga.place works, accuracy of reporting takes a backseat to headlines.
Sure, and that's the type of source I'd expect in a news or politics community. It's not what I'd expect in a "liberals" or "conservatives" community.
Preaching to the choir is the point.
I actually kind of agree here. I support Palestinians, I don't support Hamas. I also criticize Israel.
Supporting terrorist groups is evil.
I agree, and that would be something I'd report a post over, and maybe report a user, not defederate from an instance.
Maybe? Without a lawsuit where evidence is compiled, I just don't think we have enough evidence to say what actually happened and what the understanding actually was.
Whether there's value for you is irrelevant. You can easily just not look at their content, or even block the instance if you want to make sure you don't see their content. We have solutions for that.
We have zero evidence that the mods aren't responsive. Literally nobody has posted anything to that effect, nor any evidence that their users are causing problems. So why should we defederate? Because we don't like their speech? That's about as closed minded and anti-free speech as I can think of. So many want to shut out the instance merely because of their domain name, as in, they don't want to have that discussion whatsoever.
That never happens. Why would anyone look at their instance if we're defederated from them? There's zero chance that we'd actually get around to considering it.
Sure let's check the sub I have never seen a single post from. Oh I can block the community there we go. Oh 15 different misinfo posts from 15 different maga.place communities, I guess I just have to block every single community. (i.e. block the instance). The difference is you can FIND those communities. I am seeing MAINLY these kinds of terrible posts on maga.place.
Here's some undeniable misinfo posts from the NEWS community usanews https://maga.place/post/13207 https://maga.place/post/13643 Yes the shadowy antifa organization just like the shadowy blm organization. I've gone to these protests, I'm still waiting to get in contact with the antifa leaders and get my paycheck.
Also yes, you can find brainrot/divisiveness, but very rarely actual hatred, unless it's a trans person saying "wow this administration quite literally took away my rights!" Or someone saying "I will actually die if they take away my healthcare." This is not the same as "they hurt the economy and had stupid policies, let's call them garbage." Again I am not saying you WILL NOT FIND THIS ON THE LEFT. but it is a FIREHOSE vs a faucet. One of conservatives favorite shows fox news just repeats hatred towards democrats 24/7, and that is what they are used to.
Alright let's compare to c/politicalmemes then
Mamdani didn't just beat cuomo, he beat the establishment
The cruelty is the point (Republicans voting against snap, holding snap recipients hostage. Arguable that this is legitimately just true because it makes their bargaining better, but I could give you this one)
Post about the epstein files (nonpartisan even Republicans want it)
Everyone has lost their minds (nonpartisan)
Joke about how trump can't read (I could argue hes proven this but ill give this to you)
Image of mamdani turning away from autocracy to democracy, with an angry trump. Biased but just a standard political cartoon
Joke about fox news saying liberals are losing by winning
Post about someone saying Mike Johnson won't open the government because he doesn't want to release the epstein files
Post about disabled rights being human rights
So 1 post about trump not being able to read, and 1 post about how the Republicans who are voting to not fund snap actually WANT people to not have snap. The rest are nonpartisan or positive messages all around. I felt better reading c/politicalmemes because among the brainrot there were positive messages and nonpartisan "hey guys this sure is crazy." Waiting for the post on c/conservative where they say "hey guys protect your legal Mexican neighbor from ICE, there's been a lot of false deportations." Again I am not arguing that it DOESN'T happen, but maga.place is 50% EXTREMELY biased, hateful, or misinformation. Not comparable to 8/10 posts on a VERY heavily leftist site being apolitical, and the other 2 having a grain of truth if hyperbolic.
From: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/after-jimmy-kimmels-show-was-suspended-a-key-question-is-does-the-fcc-have-the-power-to-regulate-speech
"I mean, look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct to take actions, frankly on Kimmel, or there’s going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.” Carr likened Kimmel’s comment to “news distortion,” which is against FCC’s rules for broadcasters.
And then a couple hours later he is suspended. I guess it's possible the FCC threatened to take action against people hosting Kimmel. Then, independently with no influence from the threat of their broadcast license being revoked, they removed Jimmy Kimmel. That is one possibility.
Ok sure I would agree. I would also say they are misinformed, so I would not use hateful language against my fellow Americans, saying they are the Hitler youth. I do not want someone who is misinformed to be CALLED Hitler youth because it will PROVABLY make it harder to change their mind and cause more divisiveness. Literally less than 0 reason to post it.
I am not saying they have 0 value for me. I'm saying objectively they have less than 0 value since many of their posts are hateful and divisive, or straight up misinformation. Someone being around misinformation and hatred makes them a more hateful person who also spreads that misinformation. I would block the instance regardless, but I don't want the average joe thinking "hm maybe these guys have a point, I never see anyone discussing these (completely discredited) studies about climate change! They must be too radically leftist to do so." and then start hanging out in conservative communities. This is literally how many people get radicalized, is through propaganda and fake news.
I could point out more blatant examples, such as lemmygrad, or many communities on Lemmy.ml. Often the post itself isn't as blatant, but the top comments certainly are, and the moderation backs it up.
The main difference is that Fox News is more popular. The same misinformation and aggressive rhetoric exists elsewhere, it just doesn't have the same funding or reach as Fox News.
What's funny is that other fox-named news orgs (local fox stations) tend to be among the best wrt accuracy and lack of rhetoric. In my area (Utah), the local fox station is way better than the large, independent, conservative station and news org (KSL and Deseret News, both owned by the dominant church here). They're unaffiliated with Fox News, but many get them confused.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. ABC stations were involved in a merger which was close to the edge of violating antitrust. Determining whether it does or not could take a long time in the courts, which could cause complications when negotiating contracts and whatnot. Kimmel's remarks implied that Republicans were to blame, which could be considered a violation of certain agreements for OTA transmission. Again, that would take a long time to sort out in the courts.
Maybe what the FCC said amounted to intimidation. Maybe ABC was looking for an excuse. Idk.