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[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social -5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes that's an integral part of "religion"

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I think a key distinction is that the religious rhetoric is often precisely that — rhetoric. Specifically, it's rhetoric aimed at an international audience, because conflating Judaism with the Israeli state is essential to how Israel frames itself and its genocide. It allows them to denounce all criticism of zionism as antisemitism, even if those critiques are coming from Jewish antizionists. Meanwhile, Israel's actions have been helping drive an increase in actual antisemitism, which is also useful for Israel, because it helps them to justify the existence of Israel as necessary for Jewish safety.

That might seem like splitting hairs, but it's important if we want to understand what's happening. Many of the most vehement pro-genocide voices in Israel are secular Jews, as is a decent proportion of Jews in Israel. Judaism is more than just a religion, but an ethnoreligious group, and that distinction is important because Israel cares more about the "ethno-" part of that than the religious part (because like I say, there are many people who identify as secular Jews).

It's somewhat analogous to how Trump performs a particular kind of conservative Christian rhetoric that's more about white nationalism than any Christian ideals. The religious component is important to acknowledge, because many prominent MAGAs aren't doing it performatively in the way that Trump and some others do, but rather their Christian faith is tightly intertwined with their white nationalism. However, to see this purely as a religious issue would lose crucial nuance of the issue.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

reminder: a state is not part of the Jewish faith, it’s part of the zionist agenda; the reason being profit. Zionism is not judaism. It is capitalism dressed with religious propaganda.