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[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 17 points 10 hours ago

Pope Leo said on Sunday that the only solution in the decades-long conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people must include a Palestinian state, reaffirming the Vatican's position.

Title sounded like he was supporting a single state solution with Palestine as the state, but it's the same two state solution that Vatican has supported for some time

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Rename it Sky Daddy Land and let it be run by a council of atheists.

Then the Palestinians and Israelis will have a common enemy and will stop fighting.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Stop obfuscating this fight has little to do with religion its due to a settler colony and its expansion and resistance to it.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, but how do they keep track of who is the settler, and who is the native - hint: begins with 'r'.

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Really obvious differences in skin color and culture

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 2 points 4 hours ago

Rhymes with three pigeons

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 6 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

I can think of another one.

What if religion was separated from government, and all people were treated equally under secular law, as is the case in every advanced country where even non-cis-males are allowed to read freely and have a complex pluralistic civilization ?

IOW what if all the Sky Daddy people fucked off with their cosplay and let the adults manage things?

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 21 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Ok great. So now Israel is just committing a secular genocide without the veneer of religion. I don't see that that's better.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

WhenxSecular countries are supporting the terrorist state of Israel you know that it is not about religion

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social -3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

US support if Israel is arguably very much driven by religion as much as geopolitics

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

It's typical imperialism and western neocolonial mentality

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

It's definitely the excuse they use to justify it.

It's just surprising how many people fall for it, including those critical of it.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

know what a state without religion looks like? palestine.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago

Again little to do with religion its colonialism dummy.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 10 hours ago

Uh... The Nakba was committed by secular atheists. Stop trying to pin this on religion.

[–] FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone -4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Just put the whole region under a quarantine and check back in 100 years whether they have become civilized?

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No. Not disengagement; quite the opposite. De-radicalization and modernization.

The way Germany stopped worshiping Hitler and the mythical Great Germanic Past. The way Japan stopped worshiping Hirohito and the mythical Great Japanese Past.

Both were quasi religious states, depending on a population steeped in a culture of credulity coupled with unchallengeable authority.

Related but not identical: North Korea, Iran, Putin's Russia, MAGA

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Germany and Japan were subject to complete and total American led nation building. Douglas MacArthur basically wrote the Japanese constitution and modeled it on America.

Who do you plan to appoint as leader of this new project of yours?

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 0 points 12 hours ago

Yeah that's the real serious problem here

There is no Force Majure. America that was, is no more.

Learn to swim?

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Realistically, I don't see the conflict ending until climate change renders the area an uninhabitable wasteland.

Given how climate change seems to be accelerating, this is probably a few decades.