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Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors (www.mediaite.com)

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[–] sbrodolino21@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah. The media manipulation is real and a society needs to live in the same reality in order to function. Hillary Clinton brought up a totally fair point.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

If somebody was denying the holocaust and making this point in the context of that denial, would you respond the same way and say it's a totally fair point?

[–] sbrodolino21@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Not at all. Thing is, where did she deny anything? Did you read the article?

I'm not American and I'm fully supportive of Palestine and Palestinians, in favour of sanctions on Israel and of the recognition of the Palestinian state. But media manipulation is probably the biggest danger our societies are facing and it's a problem even on this matter.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 11 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

It's pretty clear that this is a denial, I suggest you listen to her speak.

From the article:

“It’s not just the usual suspects. It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand,” she claimed, adding, “A lot of the challenge is with younger people. More than 50% of young people in America get their news from social media.”

Clinton complained that when she tried to talk to young people “to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very difficult because they did not know history, they had very little context, and what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda.”

The former first lady concluded, “So just pause on that for a second. They are seeing short-form videos, some of them totally made up, some of them not at all representing what they claim to be showing, and that’s where they get their information.”

If that's not a denial, what is? Even if there is some amount of propaganda, it's undeniable the horrors that have occurred. It's not pure propaganda and she failed to speak to what actually has occurred.

This is literally the same thing as holocaust denial. She's claiming to be an authority of the history of the region, when in reality the history doesn't invalidate or excuse what has occurred for over two years against an occupied people.

[–] jimbroof@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

If that’s not a denial, what is?

Here's a hypothetical example of what a denial might look like:

"Israel is not committing war crimes in Palestine; everything is by the book and the Palestinians are thankful for having many of their old schools and hospitals demolished to make way for renovations."

The main difference between the two is that the former statements (attributed to Clinton) are fairly accurate and ostensibly made in good faith, whereas the latter statements (the hypothetical example) are not accurate and have the appearance of intentionally creating a false narrative.

To be clear, I think Hillary is a dogshit human being and I think Israel is committing war crimes every day as they continue to murder civilians with the aid of American military tech and funding. But Hillary isn't saying anything that crazy here, or at least not in the actual quotes written in the article.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Respectfully, saying, "what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda." is what makes this denial. It's fine if you disagree.

Hillary is free to acknowledge what's happened from a neutral perspective and prove me wrong. But thus far, has she?

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow.

She includes the actual day of October 7th, and the only possible social media disinformation that day would have been anti-Palestinian, there was like no videos of Israel doing anything vaguely questionable on that day.

She avoids claiming it's only one side or the other. Zionists could accuse her of October 7th denial just as easily.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I suggest you re-read the article/listen to her speak because she is clearly taking a side. What she's speaking to is not limited to that day, to the best of my knowledge. If you disagree with the coverage or find it inaccurate, feel free to point out the inconsistencies or distortions.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I didn't listen, but I read and reread and the thread started with a quote showing the inconsistency and I repeated it highlighting specifically where it could cut the other way.

She carefully avoided taking a side other than social media is full of disinformation. Going for an agonizingly centrist position that fails to condemn either side as bad.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub -1 points 9 hours ago

to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very difficult because they did not know history, they had very little context

I don't need context to know that it's wrong to rape an autistic prisoner to death. I don't need context to know that it's wrong to bomb cattle and fields in order to starve a population. And why should I listen to Hillary fucking Clinton, the single cause for why open-air slave markets could open in Libya. Fuck her and fuck Bubba too.