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you are free to give it the worst possible reading. it is a story I heard from family of events that happened maybe 70 years ago. the stakes couldn't be lower. unless you figure which municipality and bus stop were talking about, then you can complain and have the bus stop reinstated in front of the bedroom I might inherit someday
High stakes indignation, the highest possible. People with real problems don't get that high.
it was a trivial problem with a trivial solution. a complete non issue.
if it's a trivial problem with hard solutions, then suck it. if it's a real problem with trivial solution, then fix it already.
but trivial problem with a trivial solution? that's just good enough for a family anecdote.
I'm forced to give it the worst possible reading because we don't have the other side. Personally, I read this as some HOA type who can't be bothered to have a few people milling around while waiting for the bus.
You're literally not, in any way, forced to do that. That is a decision you have made.
For context I got a picture of the place in google maps. and discovered that said bus station is no longer there at all, but I have marked were the bedroom is, the original location (straight in front of their window. and the exchanged location, no one was inconvenienced by that change. and albeit it was a minor inconvenience for my great grandparents, the fix was trivial.
To me, that's even less of a reason. They could still see in, she could still see them, I side with the city still. What was the point of moving it except wasting taxpayer money?
You picked one hell of a weird hill to die on.
Right? This is the angriest I've ever seen anyone be about a bus stop being moved 10 feet 70 years ago.
How exactly was any tax payer money wasted? the whole exchange cost nothing at all.
And siding with some municipality Karen from the 50s is one hell of a specific hill to die on. lets face it, you are objectively wrong. despite the non existence evidence and records of this event, you are still wrong.
Chances are the municipality did not want to spend the funds (practically costs nothing) to move a sign a few metres, but it mattered a lot to the residents. and when they had to rebuild it, then it would have been free to move. instead they were stubborn and lazy and all it took is a bit of direct action.
Hold on, you never said residents. If this was a neighborhood-wide push then I would be open to it. The neighborhood may have a good reason to say bus stop should be here or there, if there were many home owners asking for a change then that is something I would agree with. Maybe there's a coffee shop a block away that more people congregate at and it would be better used there, maybe people don't want to j-walk to catch their bus. Those are reasons that make it worth changing - for the good of the public and the neighborhood.
However, if it was one house then as I've said and stand by, I view it as selfishness. I see it as one person dictating how many others can or can not go about their time on public property, and trying to dictate to the city where they can or cannot put public services on their own land. I don't care if it was 70 feet or 700 feet, it's one person with a minor, tiny, insignificant change. I said this elsewhere and I stand by it:
The best reason I heard is that maybe it was an issue with how loud the bus was, that one may have credence. However, pushing it closer to the neighbor doesn't seem like a solution, and it seems like it should be a neighborhood discussion.
damn, you cannot be a real human, why would a bot be told to be such a contrarian.
in the 70 years that said station was relocated no one even noticed. I really hope I never end up becoming your neighbour, you sound insufferable to live near to.
you'll call the municipality if my bins are an inch out of place.
Ironically, no. I'm saying your grandma sounds like that person who would call in the bins.
I'm saying that your scenario of the bins is the same as the bus stop. Just deal with it, ignore it, and live peacefully. It's a molehill she made a mountain out of.
promise me you'll never get into local politics
From the look of it, I’d say that the distance from the window to the bus stop doubled. The perceived sound level of people at the bus stop would have declined by 75%. Which could be the difference from lying in bed, able to clearly hear the conversations of people waiting at the bus stop, to an imperceptible murmur of background noise.
These sort of minor changes are not frivolous, they can have a huge impact on the quality of life for someone.
I'll say the noise factor is the first reason that I've heard could be a legitimate issue for the person living there, I appreciate that reason. If that was the case, then I would back it, but also I live ~1 block from the bus stop and I can hear the air brakes from my house through walls, so I would think they are pushing it to their neighbor's house instead of talking about the actual problem with the city.
Why do you care?
because to me it's pure NIMBY-ism. Maybe it's because I'm a city guy, who is used to whatever going on around my home, but it's just a weird thing from my perspective to get upset about. I personally just don't see anything that's worth going to city council and complain about. To me I see a bus stop which from the image below looks like it's a very suburban street so we're talking a few dozen people a day, max. Whatever the reasons were in my opinion were selfish. They didn't want to see them out their window? Deal with it. You want privacy? Close the curtains. Someone is loud? They're there for 20 minutes max until the next bus. Or what is most likely from the photo - they probably wanted a parking space there. I don't see any reason to push to move it that wasn't selfish.
It's the city's property. It's on the city's sidewalk, it's for the city bus, and street parking is public funds for private vehicles. It's theirs to do with as they will. The homeowner has rights up to the edge of the property. The city has a duty to provide ingress and utilities to that property. To me it's the definition of Karen-ing.
People disagree with me. Fine, but I'm holding my ground. I call it selfish. Yeah it's 70 feet, but it all in my mind is "The city must change their plan and their property for my convenience"