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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 22 points 4 days ago (4 children)

All societies impose rules on individuals.

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

since you are not explaining what you are trying to say with this, i have to assume.

i assume you are trying to imply that since all societies impose rules on individuals, states are no worse than any other way to organize a society, and criticising them (pointing out how they arbitrarily legitimize their own violence and criminalize that of individuals) is hypocrytical or pointless.

if this is what you are trying to say, then i have to disagree. not all power structures are equal. states are a hierarchical way to organize societies, disempowering the many, to empower the few. rules are not imposed on people, by themsleves, but by a higher authority. they are authoritarian and oppressive. state violence is illegitimate and defence against it is likely legitimate. this is something states try to obscure and it is something people need to realise, so they will consider overthrowing the states ruling over them.

if you did not mean to imply this. i am sorry for misunderstanding you. tbf i did try to get you to explain yourself. i would still like to read what you meant.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Every society has rules. Anarchists advocate for rules.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I've yet to meet two anarchists who agree on what an 'anarchy' system would actually look like.

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you want to meet anarchists that agreed on how to organize, you have to meet organized anarchists

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here's my controversial opinion. Using phrases like 'anarchy' or 'socialism' is a complete waste of time if you're interested in making any kind of change.

Look at the campaigns of Mamdani and AOC. They talked much more about actual issues and laws than they talked about utopian plans for the future.

If you say you're a 'socialist' you give the MAGat ammunition. "Well, wasn't Hitler a Socialist?"

If you say 'tax the rich' you avoid that.

You can spend time getting people elected, or you can spend time arguing about things that you can't control.

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 days ago

I kind of agree; actions matters, world shall support. However, actions of many have to be coordinated to aime the same goal. And to do so, we shall be clear of the ideal we want. Hitler do not want to abolish capitalism, but you could have a fascist state that tax the rich. Without upper hand, confusions is counter productive

Part of the point is not deciding on the end before you get there, only the direction, so everyone can have a say.

[–] rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I could probably count on one hand the number of anarchists I know that can agree on the fuck it is.

And iv met a lot of them.

[–] rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

i would need at least two hands, and i havent met that many yet

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)
[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That you deserve it and that no society was about you, because the elites deserve their privileges of causing everyone else pain for their own profit.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

“All the other kids do it too mom!”

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Exactly what I wrote.

What did you think I meant?

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

your comment does not seem directly related to the content of the post. i assume you are therefore implying something with your statement. otherwise, what led you to comment it?

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Which particular word confused you?

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

none. i am trying to understand why you said what you said. how is "all societies impose laws upon individuals" related to "states legitimize their own violence and criminalize the violence of individuals"?

[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

what’s ur fav boot flavour, you seemingly enjoy licking the dirt off them