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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

More specifically, Trump signed an executive order for ICE to disregard the 14th Amendment, which was passed to give citizenship to former slaves.

They could literally come for anyone at anytime, but their focus is minorities.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which order is that? Can you link it if possible? I want to show that to some people I know, they definitely need to see it

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The order is this:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/

It's been challenged by at least 22 State Attorneys General and been blocked by multiple federal judges. The SCOTUS announced on the 5th of December that they were hearing arguments for it, idk if it's been resolved yet.

Writ of Petition by Trump to allow the order: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/25/25-365/378052/20250926163053178_TrumpvBarbaraCertPet.pdf

Scheduled hearing by SCOTUS for oral arguments: https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120525zr_hejm.pdf

A good blog about the topic is here: https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/12/supreme-court-agrees-to-hear-trumps-challenge-to-birthright-citizenship/

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Such bullshit. If you can be arrested by the cops, you are subject to the jurisdiction.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You don't need to be a citizen to be subject to law enforcement, the only exceptions are people with diplomatic immunity.

I think there should be bare minimum human rights for all, not just citizens, but that's not the case currently.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's basically the point. If you are subject to law enforcement and you have a kid here, the kid is a citizen.

"Subject to the jurisdiction" was essentially to keep diplomats kids from becoming citizens.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 1 points 1 week ago

Ah, okay, sorry. I thought you were implying that a person is immune to laws unless they're a citizen, like those sovereign citizen types, I failed to realize you were quoting a passage from the order lol.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I thought it was more about if a foreign nation say, invaded and controlled a state, then we wouldn't be granting citizenship while it was under a foreign power.

Either way, no reading of that would apply to what the administration wants to see. I believe the argument I saw them attempting was to imagine another word was intended, "exclusively subject to the jurisdiction", meaning an otherwise stateless child becomes a citizen, but if they have birthright citizenship claim anywhere else, that is what the administration would want to use as an excuse to deny citizenship.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 week ago

Thank you, hopefully discussing this will help some of the people I know see reality, rather then the indoctrination they consume right now.