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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Who can still take this ridiculous saber rattling by the orange rapist seriously when it is completely obvious that he is only trying to distract attention from his crimes? It's really getting old.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 48 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Who can still take this ridiculous saber rattling by the orange rapist seriously when it is completely obvious that he is only trying to distract attention from his crimes?

He literally just kidnapped the head of state of another country using military force.

"An attempt to distract from his crimes" and "A serious threat to international peace" are not mutually exclusive.

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He literally just kidnapped the head of state of another country using military force.

Well yes (although I'd argue how much of that was him vs Rubio), but doing so was preceded by a large naval buildup that we don't see with Greenland. Not to mention that those naval assets are still there extorting Venezuela and another naval deployment of that size would leave INDOPACOM under resourced for maintaining the Island Chain containment on China.

Basically, it's not actually a serious threat at this point.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

Well yes (although I’d argue how much of that was him vs Rubio), but doing so was preceded by a large naval buildup that we don’t see with Greenland.

  1. Yet.

  2. Greenland is much less defended than Venezuela.

Not to mention that those naval assets are still there extorting Venezuela and another naval deployment of that size would leave INDOPACOM under resourced for maintaining the Island Chain containment on China.

What makes you think the shitwit supreme cares about long-term US strategic interests like containment of China?

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Nuuk has a population of 20000, and more than 1/3 of all people in Greenland live there. How much of a naval buildup do you need to take a town of this size?

I'm not sure he even has to bother about taking Nuuk. If he just declared Greenland being a US-territory and started to build a mine somewhere - would Greenland, Denmark or the rest of NATO have the capability to deny this?

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

An attack on Denmark would most likely mean the end of NATO and have a massive impact on the already damaged relationship with Europe. The EU would be forced to respond in one way or another. Even a megalomaniac like this bastard can't be stupid enough to accept that.

This is either a distraction or an attempt to put pressure on Denmark in order to gain leverage in negotiations.

Of course, it is still absolutely true that the US under this absurd Nazi regime poses a considerable threat to world peace. The regime devalues international law with its ruthless acts, leaving only the law of the strongest to apply, which is of course an enormous step backwards for civilization - even though the UN, also largely due to the US, has never really taken it seriously.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even a megalomaniac like this bastard can’t be stupid enough to accept that.

Never underestimate human stupidity - or Trump's stupidity, for that matter.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yes, that's true, but on the other hand, this criminal is also more than well known for bluffing with bullshit statements. And: This whole story is so completely absurd and would have such negative consequences that, in my opinion, it can only be another bluff. It could be fatal for the US because it would isolate the country even more. Not that the orange rapist would care about the fate of US citizens, but an attack on the EU would have economic consequences in the billions, and that can't be good for the real rulers in the US, which is why they will forbid their puppet from making such a self-destructive move.

It may well be that they have lost control, as the German economic elite did with Hitler at the time, but I consider that unlikely, because there is so much dirt on this pedo that the elite can easily bring him down as soon as he falls out of favor.

I think we must never forget what an absolute clown the US president is: he was on the verge of bankruptcy before he became president. So he is not part of the ruling elite, but dependent on it - and if he steps out of line too much, even his MAGA cult will be of no use against the wrath of the one percent.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I have to ask; were you one of those who thought the institutions would uphold and Trump would be prosecuted during Biden’s term?

I’m getting ‘pragmatist who is confidently incorrect’ vibes.

You’re wrong on two points here: this is no distraction and the United States isn’t bluffing.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, I am definitely not one of those who believe that anyone who belongs to the elite or their minions in the US could be prosecuted for any offense - quite the contrary: I consider this completely out of the question, since the US is not a constitutional state but a plutocracy on the verge to dictatorship.

I am not a US citizen, but from Europe.

I still think that the US is bluffing, and I think that it may be the hubris of a nation whose citizens still believe that they are the only power in the world that makes this bluff possible. In fact, in my opinion, the US will soon be replaced by China as a superpower, if that is not already the case. However, this is not in terms of military power, but in terms of economic significance - and here, apart from the IT sector and the arms industry, the US no longer has much to offer. Europe is still important for both industries though, which is why I believe this is a bluff. The reason: due to the behavior of the US, the EU is already in the process of becoming more independent, which is a direct consequence of the irresponsible foreign policy of the first year of the current US regime. Attacking EU countries now would accelerate this process many times over, which the US cannot afford.

In short: I am a realist, and I'm pretty certain that the reality is that the US is already isolated due to its current foreign policy and is also heavily indebted. For this reason, I consider it impossible that the current administration would risk a complete break with the EU (and NATO), as this would not only hit Europe hard, but also the US. The winner would be China, the country that will overtake the US in the foreseeable future anyway.

In short, I consider the US regime's policy not only irresponsible from a European perspective, but also absolutely disastrous from the US perspective. It is a policy of excessive self-overestimation that completely ignores reality.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No, I am not one of those…

Shakes head Righto. I think I got what you meant by that. ‘I am not naive’ probably would have been good enough given that…

I am not a US citizen

So how can you not recognise, after seeing what you have, that this is no bluff? Your claim that the US elite have Trump by the balls is incorrect by inspection. It’s the other way round.

You need to understand rationale has been replaced with ruthlessness and fascism. China might replace the US, yeah, but not yet and not quickly. You’re not correct about its economic influence either; you’ve completely disregarded the rest of the economic world outside the US and Europe.

Sure, Europe is diversifying, as it should be and should have ages ago but none of that explains or underwrites the US bluffing, nor does it prevent it from happening.

Trump has reasons he believes are good enough to take Greenland and he will attempt. This is no bluff. There are strategic reasons he wants this territory in control of the US. Furthermore, his tech bros are pushing for it as well.

Realist ay? You better shake yourself into reality sunshine, because unless there’s some swift, serious movement within the US to stop or displace Trump, Greenland will be part of the US before the years out. Absolutely it would be disastrous but the ignorance of reality is thinking it won’t happen. They said they would and they will.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I cannot see what strategic reasons these might be, or why they would justify the massive costs of invading a NATO and EU member state.

I am, of course, aware that the US president is a megalomaniac. But I think you are thinking too much from a political perspective: the US has been a plutocracy for decades. Therefore, the economy pulls the strings, and I cannot see what the massive losses that an invasion of Greenland would entail would justify - there really is no economic gain and that is all the US is about.

You want a short answer: it would cost the US economy billions to attack Europe, and that is why they will not do it.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago

I cannot see…

Full control of the Arctic circle and Trump is an imperialist. Mainly the second to be honest because as things stand strategic control is given to the US anyway.

Again, you’re missing the fact that Trump is in control of the US. The only people who have influence over Trump are Putin and Netanyahu, because they have either kompromat on the bloke or he owes money.

the US has been a plutocracy

No more. It’s a dictatorship run by Trump. What applied in the past no longer applies.

you want a short answer

The US will move on Greenland before Easter and you better prep for it.

As to how Europe reacts, we’ll see, but the US will take Greenland.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It may well be that they have lost control, as the German economic elite did with Hitler at the time, but I consider that unlikely, because there is so much dirt on this pedo that the elite can easily bring him down as soon as he falls out of favor.

What dirt could possibly bring Trump down? His bootlicking followers are conditioned to dismiss or justify everything, up to and including literal pedophilia.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He gets away with everything because he controls the media through his billionaire friends - both traditional media and social media (Truth Social, which he owns, has little reach). Likewise, it is not him who controls people like Clarence Thomas for example (that would be billionaire Harlon Crow). So I'd say he is only untouchable because he acts in the interests of the elite. If he were to turn against them, things would very quickly look very differently.

I think it's a foregone conclusion that the elite pushed him into the highest political office precisely because he is such a disgusting, perverted scumbag. That means there is more than enough dirt on him to bring him down. With Hitler, it was different.

Of course, it is always possible that he will use ICE, which is obviously a secret police force, against the elite, but I think it is rather unlikely that he actually has enough power to do so.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If he were to turn against them, things would very quickly look very differently.

How? People have spent over a decade of their lives, isolating themselves from former friends and family in their worship of the orange rapist. The sunk cost fallacy is here deep.

I appreciate that you're trying to highlight the deeper fundamental problem that could lead to a repeat of this situation even when Trump is gone, but I think you're really underselling just how much of a fucking cult Trump has cultivated, and how immensely idiotic, immoral, and hypocritical his followers are.

Remember that as late the 1950s, a slim majority of Germans still thought positively of Hitler.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Do you really think that MAGA foot soldiers are the main reason he was never prosecuted? I mean, he also has millions of opponents among the US population -and they obviously have no real influence whatsoever. That's just how it is in a plutocracy: power lies not with the people, but with the elites.

It's true, of course, that he has built a cult of personality around himself, but I think that was only possible because his supporters are so easily influenced. And the media, which he controls only through his connections, plays a key role in this. I mean, it's not like MAGA has its own opinion: they have no values, they just follow. Whether they actually follow the orange rapist or rather the racist organizations that make up this "movement" is questionable, in my opinion. It may well be that they are indeed Drump disciples, but at the moment, they are all pulling in the same direction with their Nazi agenda with plenty of opportunities for other oportunists to enrich themselves while doing so. However, if Drump were to turn against the forces that are also very influential in these circles, it could become apparent that it is less about Drump and more about the political agenda behind this figurehead - also about opportunities for rather mid-level MAGA-functionaries to get rich with this ruse.

That may not necessarily be the case, but I don't think it can be ruled out, as Drump could never have achieved this status without extremely influential help - the man was a B-list celebrity and little more than a ridiculous TV personality, a failure who actually managed to squander pretty much his entire father's fortune through incredible stupidity. I don't think he was clever or influential enough to get to where he is now even halfway on his own. That's why I consider him a straw man and very much doubt that he is actually the one controlling the cult - I consider him merely the face, and in my opinion, that is interchangeable, as MAGA is so completely adaptable in its concerns.

So I don't think Drump would risk a conflict with his elite supporters - he just earns too much from their existing agreement

To put it this way: I consider Drump to be nothing more than an opportunist, and therefore I consider him more comparable to Hermann Göring than to Adolf Hitler. For Drump, Nazi ideology is more of a means to an end, although he is certainly a racist, but even so, if in doubt, he would probably choose to maintain his degenerate lifestyle rather than persuade Nazi ideology with all it's implications (for example he would never turn on Israel because they are his fascist allies even if they are jewish which is incompatible with "pure" Nazi-Ideology).

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago

It is obviously a distraction, he didn't pipe up attacking Venezuela or Iran for that matter.

[–] phneutral@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you solve domestic political problems with foreign policy, then you have arrived in the middle of authoritarianism.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, I consider that a given: it's the classic autocratic strategy.

[–] phneutral@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

And yet it still seems to work somehow.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He wants a war before midterms as a reason to prevent them.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, that's clear, but not against the EU. That would cost the US dearly. There are various other countries he could abuse for this purpose. I assume that Venezuela served as preparation for an invasion of Cuba (Maduro was the most important oil supplier for Cuba). I simply cannot understand why anyone would believe that a military conflict with the EU is even remotely realistic. It would isolate the US and cost the already weak US economy billions. A war against any South American country would not, even though it would have the same bogus effect on the US population.

Moreover, Trump would be fulfilling a "US-dream" that has been propagated for ages if he attacked and maybe defeated Cuba. Why do you think he would strike against the last vassal states he has left (in fact that is what the EU is - I can confirm unfortunately because I'm from the EU, specifically from Germany where we have a head of state that is in fact a US lobbyist)? That would be absolutely insane.

An attack on Cuba in violation of international law would of course be equally reprehensible, but it would probably even been met with approval among US citizens, while it should be clear to any reasonably educated US citizen that a conflict with the EU would be completely contrary to the most basic US interests.

I cannot for the life of me understand how it is possible that these empty threats are taken even halfway seriously.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

An unprovoked war on most any country will likely spark sanctions and hurt the economy. Trump doesn't give a shit about the economy. He cares about himself. That should be obvious to you as well. He'll start a war just to try and keep in power. It's why he's already trying to claim he doesn't need permission from the rest of the government to attack countries or take lands.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Any EU country is by no means equivalent to any other country in the world for the US. What you say only confirms my opinion as an EU citizen that nothing but hostility can be expected from the US. The hubris is truly unbearable, and it seems that it is not just the pedophile head of state. It is remarkable how much self-importance a dying superpower can muster in its final death throes. The US is at an end, and this is not just due to decades of mismanagement...

I'm sorry for being so salty, but I no longer have any sympathy for US citizens trying to cover up for their criminal government with slogans from the 1980s. The world is different today, and there will be a rude awakening in the US when the intoxication of self-adulation wears off.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sorry but this is not correct. He is not only trying to distract from the Epstein files. It will take years to not only build but actually prosecute a criminal case against him and he’s a billionaire. Please stop making it sound so simple when it’s so much more dangerous than that

He wants to do big and dramatic things and truly live as the most powerful person on earth and you should take everything he says seriously until proven otherwise.

His administration is filled with proactively violent enablers and ideologues who are not only responsible for wanting Greenland in the first place but will happily carry out his deranged orders if he thinks listening to them will make him a great historical figure

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I am by no means referring solely to the Epstein Files. What I mean is that, with this inhuman individual at the helm, the US is now being run like a veritable mafia state, very similar to nations like Russia, for example - organized crime in the truest sense of the word. This is a change from the usual plutocracy in that it is now more unscrupulous than ever: corruption is more obvious than ever and the profits of the elites are higher than ever, which can be easily seen in the exorbitant increase in the wealth of the top one percent. Likewise, the actions against the country's own population are obviously more illegal than ever. To distract from how hollow the US system actually is, foreign policy is being used to make a big splash, which also provides opportunities for further self-enrichment - such as the abduction of Maduro, which is completely contrary to international law and from which the president and his influential supporters are likely to benefit personally.

The reasoning behind this seems quite simple to me, as it is a classic autocratic strategy: continuous distraction from events in one's own country is needed. I mean, when you murder your own people as ruthlessly as this regime does, it doesn't go down well - especially when it's not just marginalized groups that have never had any significant influence in the US. However, in order to enable a state like Russia, which is currently pretty evident in the US I'd say, it is necessary to also eliminate resistance among intellectuals and other native American groups, i.e., among US citizens, which I thinks is likely to happen soon. This requires all the more distraction - and autocrats traditionally find this excuse in foreign policy.

In short: I think it is likely that the elites in the US, who have ruled the country for decades, have now decided to drop the pretense and switch from a sham democracy to the Russian model.

I consider Drump's latest foreign policy initiatives to be preparation for this, although in my opinion the Greenland narrative is not a genuine intention, as it would be very costly for the elites, but merely a way of swearing that it does not matter who you take action against in foreign policy. It also serves to show US citizens how powerless they really are: I may be wrong, but I don't think the majority of US citizens have any interest in starting a conflict with Europe, their long-standing ally. Nevertheless, they cannot and will not do anything about it, but are at the mercy of the regime, as evidenced by the fact that many US citizens take the chatter of their completely out-of-control head of state seriously.