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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I'm no China expert but I lived In South China for a while between 2016 and 2024. The Chinese people I know are mostly hardworking, very motivated to succeed, and well capitalized. In their major cities you might be surprised to learn normal guys who earn half what you do are living a higher quality of life than you are, in terms of access to technology.

Their government is no doubt using uncouth methods to give their country unfair advantages. They don't play well with others.

But holy shit there is one thing this Chinese government is doing well: effectively driving growth with targeted investments in the economy. They have been focused on that one mission consistently for a long time.

While democracies fuck around trying to decide if they should tax themselves to build public transportation, China installs 10 new ultrafast subway lines in just a few years in every big city. Covers the country in a network of high-speed rail. Drives the price of shipping goods around the country to almost nothing.

A kind of monoparty like China has is very likely a net negative when we look at world history, but for moments of time, if it's the right one, amazing things can happen.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

One thing I've been impressed with China for is moving towards greener technologies. They're a leader in solar, their EV's are apparently very good (not that I can get one here to verify that), and they're pretty dogged in their pursuit of nuclear energy.

Meanwhile USA is apparently still in "let's overturn regimes and take over other countries for the oil companies" mode

[–] Welt@lazysoci.al 3 points 3 days ago

China has still fucked up its environment massively though. Being the world's factory produces a lot of byproducts. Sure, they're concentrating them and trying to detoxify the worst of it but the place is swimming in effluent that does great damage to life in one of the most biodiverse countries in the world. "Green" in the sense of renewable energy and climate change mitigation is not green in the sense of preserving the last tracts of intact wilderness to limit mass extinctions.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Hey, Americans are hard working too. Some work 3 jobs just to make ends meet.

The US government threatens other countries with tariffs and sanctions to give American companies unfair advantage. Is that not using unclouth methods?

[–] Poojabber@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Americans are hardworking too, but the American government is not actively working to support those hardworking Americans, which is the difference.... the average American is working their ass off to earn less than ever to add wealth to the small percentage of ultra wealthy in power here. There are sanctions, tarriffs, and subsidies here, but the vast majority of them benefit the top of the pyramid, while leaving the majority to struggle.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

The US government does everything in its power to make the wealthy even more wealthy. But hey, worker empowerment is communism.

[–] RightEdofer@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Party’s don’t have to be part of democracy though. Nonpartisan democracy might more achievable for China than the west currently as the size of their single party continues to grow. Though I kinda doubt there is a lot of appetite for it. I’m a firm believer in democracy but it’s hard to look at the hyper polarization of today’s parties as beneficial in any way. Especially in the simple two party American system.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

tax billionaires out of existence and the polarization will solve itself in short order

[–] RightEdofer@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah I suspect that’s right.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 4 days ago

You should consider effects of scale.

With the size of China it's simply easier to do "targeted investments".

They are almost big enough for autarky with modern technologies and conveniences.