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If ICE agent Jonathan Ross’s life was truly in danger we would see all three bullet holes in the front windshield but that’s clearly not the case. Looks like 2nd degree murder to me.
Except that he would have put himself in that danger intentionally.
Typical lose one argument, so try and create a new one
Edit: It’s not logical to play chicken with a car thats a few feet from your body. Vehicles can maim or kill...fear in that situation is a normal human response.
If you think it’s safe or reasonable, flip the situation. Step in front of a couple of SUVs and tell us you wouldn’t fear for your life. Then explain how you reached that mindset.
Until then, pretending this isn’t dangerous ignores reality.
If Nicole Renee Good actually used her vehicle as a weapon she might still be alive today. She was murdered by feds while peacefully practicing her rights.
Maybe don't be a fucking dumbass who breaks explicit protocol and willfully endangers themselves, and you won't feel endangered. Maybe don't try to make a traffic stop you have ZERO authority to perform. Maybe clean the fucking boot polish off your tongue.
Enforcement agents are trained to blocks path of escape, only once told to exit the vehicle did she Gun it.
Right. So then maybe walking in front of one twice, while your buddies try to scare the driver is ill advised.
Enforcement agents are trained to blocks path of escape, only once told to exit the vehicle did she Gun it.
No. They are not.
Wouldn't your normal fear response be to... get out of the way?
Enforcement agents are trained to blocks path of escape, only once told to exit the vehicle did she Gun it.
That was from his first shot. His second and third were right through the driver side window. Grow up.
I am a grown-up. That’s why I believe running cars at federal employees is no more justified than running them at dogs in the street. I hate ICE.....but pretending this incident is okay because it’s politically convenient is an insult to everyone’s intelligence.
So much of that, you're really just losing everyones attentation and potential allies. Propaganda like this is why we keep losing elections to idiots like trump
If she had been trying to hit the agent a lot of people would say she was justified. ICE goons are murderers and abusers and I would fear for my safety if they tried to open my car door. But either way, he was never in danger and he murdered her for bruising his ego.
This is mob violence logic. You decide someone is bad, then justify anything done to them.
Saying she would have been justified to hit an ICE agent with a car because you hate ICE is the same thinking used to excuse every atrocity. If violence is acceptable against people you fear or dislike, then there is no moral standard at all.
I'm not saying she should have done that, I mean she would have a justified reason to fear for her safety and flee even if it meant endangering the officer who was needlessly standing directly in front of her vehicle. In similar situations drivers have been found to not be at fault even if they injured people with their car if they were being surrounded. ICE is violent and unaccountable, repeatedly abusing people's rights and had no reason to be trying to open her car door or block her.
Enforcement agents are trained to blocks path of escape, only once told to exit the vehicle did she Gun it.
Drivers are almost always found culpable for gunning their cars at pedestrians in the street and especially federal agents.
Agents are not trained to stand directly in front of a vehicle, all relevant training and manuals instruct officers to avoid standing directly in front of a suspect's vehicle, and it's actually not common that drivers are found guilty when accidentally striking a person who is intentionally blocking the path of their vehicle.
I understand now. You are a troll. Maybe you work for ICE, I don't know. Probably. Blocked.
Propaganda? What video are you watching?!
You are responding to an article a video that show he intentionally put himself in that situation, and prepared to do exactly what he did. And then shrugged and fucked off, while she died and the dog sat in the back seat.
Yeah she shouldn't have put her dog in that situation. She alone drove her car up to block agents and get in their face.
So many other things she could have done to support the community and fight against Trump. But instead she's dead for mob justice.
Jan 6th was wrong, so was this bad driver. Putting innocents (dog) in Harms way is unacceptable and never needed to happen. But she let her rage get a hold of her.
My fucking God. What is it like being such trash, and letting everyone know you're trash? Do you get punched a lot?
You watch the kristi noem special release of the footage? Because she clearly didn't drive towards the fascist asshole.