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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

tbf, manifest destiny was originally an american idea

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Promised Land was originally God's idea.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

God was originally the idea of bossy humans, though.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's more likely that the idea of a god or gods originated with humans who consumed psychoactive plants, fungus, and/or ergot-infected grain. Hardly the bossy types.

Over time though, the idea caught on and got popular, until most people had heard of or generally believed in it. Then some tightwads came in and decided that people couldn't get high anymore, so those folks had to take their drugs to secret caves and such.

Meanwhile, the tightwads appropriated the proto-religious ideas and codified them into stricter religions in order to pacify the masses who over generations had come to believe in such things as gods, and thus religions were converted into instruments of social control.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I think it's more likely that the idea of a god or gods originated with humans who consumed psychoactive plants, fungus, and/or ergot-infected grain

The original nature religions and the like, sure.

Inherently authoritarian ones like Christianity and the other monotheistic ones, though? Definitely the invention of people who wanted to control other people.

There's presumably wasn't a lot of drugs that make you overly concerned with obedience and imposing your will on others available way back then.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 hours ago

That's what I meant by proto-religion.

Also, christianity wasn't authoritarian until it was subverted by Rome. For the first couple hundred years, they were rebels risking their lives

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

The Promised Land was originally God's idea.

Strangely, it was the idea of every God that every religion has ever conceived of.

[–] newtraditionalists@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're right. The Dutch, and the Spanish, and the English, and the Romans were all totally content with what they had.

[–] Cowbee_Admirer@reddthat.com 2 points 22 hours ago

Not to defend the horrifying Spanish Empire, but it didn't contain genocide of natives as a tenet. It enslaved people, spread diseases and wars, and murdered millions upon millions, but go to Peru and you'll see that at least it didn't reach the goal of extermination to the degree that happened in North America.