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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I just thought about ww2, and I just realized how egregious it is that the Japanese and Italians sided with Nazis.

They thought "yes, mhm, we are on that side".

[–] a_queer_one@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't sell Italy and Japan short.

Mussolini invented fascism, and did population-scale deployment of chemical weapons in Ethopia.. Imperial Japan are absolutely an all-time G.O.A.T of horrific war crimes.

Their behavior was egregious, and that's why they sided with the nazis.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Japan never even spoke to the Nazis.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Italy was more of a trapped situation

Japan pre-nukes however were extremely genocidal fascist, look up some of the stuff they did just before WWII, such as the "Rape of Nanjing", if anything the Nazis took some inspiration from them

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A slight nitpick but Japan didn't side with the Nazis. They had their own thing going on with China and simply saw the Nazis as an opportunity for some payback. It wasn't like they really bought into the Nazi ideology as didn't really apply to them. The Italians were all in on it though.

Had the war turned out differently there would have been a radical cultural difference between Nazi controlled Europe and Japanese controlled Asia. In the long run it would have probably led to another war because of the extreme cultural differences.

[–] Waldelfe@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

While they didn't 100% buy into all the details of Nazi ideology, the Japenese did believe themselves to be the superior race among the Asian peoples.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

IME most still do.

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the long run it would have probably led to another war because of the extreme cultural differences.

Like a cold war.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Alternative history is sort of difficult because we don't know what the capabilities of those powers would have been. In order for the Nazis to have won the war a lot of people on both sides would have needed to make quite radically different decisions.

However it doesn't take much theorizing to suggest that Nazi Germany would have probably had nuclear weapons in that scenario (the Germans were moving in that direction towards the end of the war, but were never really able to make much progress because by that point they were losing badly and didn't have the resources anymore).

I can't see how Japan would have ended up with nuclear weapons though. So I suspect a certain amount of power imbalance would have existed.