Cross-posted from "The ultimate centrist" by @corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net in !chapotraphouse@hexbear.net
These two things are the same 
this post was submitted on 14 Jan 2026
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I understand that. They still killed her. Being upset about that is a normal human response regardless of her crimes.
I'm not sad about police shooting Babbit like I'm not sad about Hitler shooting himself. She got exactly what she deserved.
Babbitt was not a victim.
Why not?
Part of an armed mob beating cops and forcibly entering a building where the mob was chanting that they would hang members of the government?
You are right. I've got nothing beyond that.
I mean, nothing was wrong with their methods. It's what needs to happen. What was wrong was the reasons they wanted to engage in those actions.
Cops deserve to eat the curb and the members of our government deserve to hang. I can't disagree with that. The only thing I disagree with is that they wanted to do so in order to enable fascism.
I'm confused, are you saying there was nothing wrong with an armed mob invading the capital and trying to hang our government?
Yes. The actors of our Imperialist establishment deserve to be hung and the people are more than justified in revolting against it.
What do you think a revolution entails? Do you still think our government exists to serve us? How naive are you?
You are a real peach, and people clearly desire to be in your company and entertain conversations with you.
Cry me a river and keep licking those boots.
Look man I've been hearing this s*** ever since I was a child, mostly from the Republicans and libertarians. You're not new. You're not interested. You're just a bored dude who really isn't doing anything behind the keyboard. Be bold and do the s*** yourself or shut the f****** up.
Bitch, you're in an anarchist sub. The fuck you expect? Us to praise our Imperialist oppressors? Piss off, politically ignorant twit.
Can't even tell the difference between right-wing co-opting of leftist language and actual leftist rhetoric. All you can do is throw out pedantic, assumptive insults instead of any legitimate argument against why people shouldn't revolt against oppressive institutions.
Weak.
You asked for a justification. You didn't provide any additional parameters. This is on you.
The most common definition of a victim is someone who dies from a crime, and the word carries an underlying meaning of the harm coming from something not justified.
She wasn't killed because the police overreacted or because they are trained to shoot first, she was breaking through a barrier in pursuit of committing violence and had to be stopped. Previous non-lethal attempts to stop the violence were attempted, and she was part of a crowd that could overwhelm the security. Lethal violence was needed to defend lives and therefore she is not a victim.
This is not comparable to police overreacting with disproportionate violence.
I know I used the word crime above but I don't consider most laws morally legitimate so whether it was a crime or not is barely relevant.
I don't think it's wrong to describe someone who was killed by another person as a victim. Even if they were guilty of horrible crimes.
This is a conversation I've had several times. I think it's very strange that so many leftists claim to want to dismantle our justice system but endorse the same punitive logic behind it. Maybe it was necessary to kill Ashlee Babbitt, frankly, I don't know all the details. But she was killed by the police and that makes her a victim in my mind nonetheless. Killing someone is always a bad thing. Sometimes it's just the least bad thing you can do.
Good to see some actual nuanced leftist takes even if they are being heavily downvoted.
Lemmings love the downvote button way too much for some reason so I try not to worry too much about it anymore.