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The latest changes implemented in the Systemd repo, related to or prompted by age-verification laws, have made many people unhappy (I suppose links about this aren't necessary). This has led to a surge in Systemd forks during the last days ("surge" because there have always been plenty of forks). Here are some forks that explicitly mention those changes as their reason for forking (rough time ordering taken from the fork page):

Hopefully the energy of this reaction won't be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.

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[–] mereo@piefed.ca -2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

Sure, if you choose a distro like Artix that doesn't use systemd, then yes. However, the major distros use systemd and will continue to do so because it is a critical component of Linux. Once the Linux kernel has finished loading into memory, systemd takes over in user space. Major distros cannot simply switch to a fork on a whim because they need to be completely sure that it is stable and will not cause any compatibility issues.

Let's not forget that Ubuntu, SUSE and Red Hat are used in professional settings, so they won't change to a fork.

[–] redsand 2 points 3 hours ago

What critical components do think require systemd? Name them.

BTW the community can pressure Red Hat and Novel to switch, their contracts have to be renewed periodically.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Linux ran just fine before systemd was created. It can be removed again. It's not a critical dependency.

[–] mereo@piefed.ca 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

That was in 2010. We're now in 2026, more and more components depend on systemd. For example: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/gnome-to-have-stronger-dependency-on-systemd.98260/

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That dependency can be removed.

[–] mereo@piefed.ca -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

By basically forking Gnome, sure.

[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

Gentoo already has Gnome working without systemd

[–] redsand -1 points 3 hours ago

Gnome 😂 oh god, what a clown 🤡 you think gnome is critical. The worst DE that has been successfully forked more than once because it's so poorly managed 🤣 and you're still wrong ☠️ it works without systemd

[–] teft@piefed.social 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

There plenty of distros that don’t use systemd.

Slackware and Mint DE come to mind.

Because systemd isn’t required for Linux. It’s just one popular init system.

[–] bootleg@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

Slight correction: I think you're mixing up LMDE with Peppermint OS.

[–] mereo@piefed.ca 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

This like comes from distrowatch. Yes means the distro is using systemd:

  • 1 CachyOS: Yes
  • 2 Linux Mint: Yes
  • 3 MX Linux: Optional
  • 4 Pop!_OS: Yes
  • 5 Debian: Yes
  • 6 Zorin OS Yes
  • 7 EndeavourOS: Yes
  • 8 Manjaro: Yes
  • 9 Fedora: Yes
  • 10 Ubuntu: Yes
  • 11 AnduinOS: Yes
  • 12 openSUSE: Yes
  • 13 Bazzite: Yes
  • 14 Nobara: Yes
  • 15 Arch Linux: Yes
  • 16 elementary OS: Yes
  • 17 antiX: No
  • 18 NixOS: Yes

As we can see, the major popular distros use systemd.

[–] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 hours ago

I use Void which has runit by default. you don't need systemd, like at all.

[–] teft@piefed.social 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You said it’s part of Linux. Which it isn’t. Just because some popular distros use it doesn’t mean it’s required.