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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Americans...

A country that produces mental health issues... And they give them guns. And Americans defend this like it's a normal fact of life.

David Bowie made a whole song about that.

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A country that exists because of its use of guns to gain independence.

Its hard to change the culture when it exists literally because of having guns.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah? Europe survived two World Wars. You don't see us having a gun culture like America.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And Switzerland has more guns per capita than the US because their government mandates it. And yet, the Swiss have little to no mass shootings unlike the US. It is down to the American culture of being so gung ho and and excessively individualistic not to fund public education and mental health services.

[–] pfried@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Switzerland has 1/4 the number of guns per capita as the U.S.

Switzerland requires a permit to own a gun. This permit is also required to own daggers. This permit requires a clean criminal record and no mental health problems. Any guns acquired with this permit must be registered with the canton. Automatic firearms and tasers are banned.

You are not allowed to carry a weapon in public unless you have a separate permit that is issued sparingly.

[–] fenrasulfr@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Doesn't Switzerland have a really high rate of suicide by firearm?

[–] pfried@reddthat.com 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Yes. Switzerland reduced the size of its military, and the number of firearm suicides (and total suicides) dropped correspondingly due to reduced access to firearms. https://www.thetrace.org/2016/09/military-suicides-switzerland-gun-suicide-prevention/

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Switzerland doesn't have a gun industry saturating the market with guns. Swiss guns are owned by the military, and they have a pretty low population compared to the size of their country.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

??
With H&K and SigSauer, Germany and Austria have a sizable gun industry, without the massive shooting problems. Because of the same language, these two companies could easily advertise and lobby in Switzerland.

Swiss pop density is 226 inh/km^2, whereas USs is 41 inh/km^2 and even denser areas like New York state are merely 159 inh/km^2.

I think it's all policy and very little other factors.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Heckler and Koch, and SigSauer have their biggest manufacturing subsidiary in the United States.

Try again.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 1 points 7 hours ago

Why is that the case? Because the laws create a favourable market, is it not?

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And Switzerland has more guns per capita than the US

Norway and Canada too, i reckon.

[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Big doubt on Canada given handgun ban and level of regulation. Doubt Norway is any looser or near "just go buy a few glocks and a rifle or two from strangers at a show it's k"

[–] Amberskin@europe.pub 2 points 1 day ago

Hunting rifles count in this statistic

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Other countries have also gained independence through violence and don't share that same culture.

[–] DimFisher@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

That's nonsense, having guns is what keeps anything from falling apart and become an absolute dictatorship