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[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca -3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Ok. By that definition the us isn't a democracy either. If you don't count imperfect democracies and then only count your own imperfect democracy as a democracy then yeah. You're the first. Congrats.

Who votes for president again?

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

C'mon, now, Iceland was under the Danish king until 1944. That's clearly a monarchy. As for San Marino, the point is that they were tweaking bedrock fundamentals of their system as recently as 1974. It's not been the same one in use for hundreds of years.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca -1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

That's not clear to me at all. Canada, Australia, the UK, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Lichtenstein, the Netherlands, Belgium, and more are all currently monarchies still today. Are they not democracies?

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I would say that they are democracies today, but the closest thing to a clear binary distinction between democracy and not is where sovereignty is vested. I'm most familiar with the history of the UK; nobody would say that it became a democracy once King John signed the Magna Carta, and agreed to share sovereignty with the aristocracy, but we would call it a democracy today. It is technically a hybrid system, in which sovereignty is split between the king and the people. The king approves all acts of Parliament, but it's a formality, and the king approves whatever acts the popularly-elected Parliament passes. It was a bit-by-bit transformation from monarchy to democracy. (And it is continuing its transformation in 2026 with the abolition of the last hereditary seats in the House of Lords.)

I get that it's righteous to shit on the United States — because we mostly deserve it — but in this case it really was the first modern nation-state explicitly founded on pure, popular sovereignty. (As in, no monarch or aristocracy, not that everybody could vote.)

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

Oh yeah? For landed white men you mean right?