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I mean, it's the same principle as drawn child porn, which is legal. Why did y'all expect anything else?
I expected that drawn child porn was illegal. I wasn't aware it was legal.
Now there are TWO things I am angry about.
This is a very difficult topic to engage with rationally. But put the emotions aside and try.
We generally don't ban things just because they're gross. We ban child porn because children were hurt in the making of it. Without real kids involved, what's the justification to ban it, other than we just find it horrible? Again, we generally do not ban porn simply because it makes people uncomfortable. There's a lot of porn of adults I would never want to see. Hell, I don't even like porn of any kind. I'm more a romance novel type myself.
But really, as gross as it is, from a purely legal perspective, if there are no kids involved in the creation of something, how is banning simulated child porn any different than homophobes wanting to ban porn because they think gay people are gross? Again, we don't ban porn simply because we find it gross.
I could see an argument that maybe having virtual child porn out there could make pedophiles more likely to offend. But that seems like a very shaky assumption. The opposite case could just as easily be true. Virtual child porn could very well lower the rates of assault against minors. By banning it, we could very well be harming real children in the name of protecting virtual ones.
it involves children as the model, is, infact trained on REAL photos of children
An Australian guy was arrested for possession of CP in 2008 for Simpsons rule34.
But was he convicted for it?
Yes
Is Australia part of the US now or something?
Did I say it was? Did the comment I was replying to say anything about America? Is this an America specific Lemmy instance? Is the op's post even in English?
I was replying with a comment about a legal case relevant to the conversation. Sorry if your world view is limited to America, but not all of us have pedos for president. Not everything revolves around America, and I'm sick of Americans thinking it's all about them. Get over yourself. The world is a lot bigger than you seem to think, and the bullshit billionaires pull has ramifications globally.
This is a definitely a bot that's lost the context. This post is about US law. Also yes ops post is in English WTF are you even talking about lmao
Na you're just a self centred dumbass, and obtusely ignoring everything I just said, including my last sentence. And even if this post was specifically only about America my comment is still relevant. If only to prove that not everywhere in the works is run by pedo cunts. By all means though, keep voting Republican and ignoring the rest of the world. It's not like we have a high opinion of you cunts anymore anyways.
Are you referring to the misspelling of "Epstein" or to the automatically-generated preview text from Youtube, which OP did not put there?
AI models only know what they are trained on. Inherently, that means real children are harmed in the production of AI-generated CSAM.
That's not necessarily true. You could have all sorts of training models that didn't rely on any real children at all. You're just assuming it was trained on actual child porn. Other ways it could be trained:
Trained on images of adults that look younger than 18. You could commission a bunch of pornography by people with whatever medical condition this guy has and use that as your training data.
Trained on pornographic images of adults and regular images of kids. (This one is questionable legally, even though again, no kids were harmed in the making of it.)
Trained on entirely on images of adults, reviewers are tasked with trying to identify the age of the person in the image generated, and using that as training data.
If someone was deliberately trying to create a legal child porn engine (what a horrible phrase to type), they would be sure to do it without using any actual child porn as the training data. There would be little point otherwise.
Would they, really...? That's giving the sort of guys actually responsible for doing this stuff an un-earned benefit of the doubt.
https://cyberscoop.com/xai-grok-csam-class-action-lawsuit/
In this thread we're not talking about grok. We're talking about whether simulated child porn itself is automatically illegal. And my point is that no, it need not be. I would agree that anything made using actual child porn images should be illegal. But if no actual children are involved at any point in the process? Changing the interpretation of the Constitution to allow making such a thing illegal would do more harm than you can possibly imagine.
I mean, they could, but they didn't. There's already slop machines out there churning out AI-generated CSAM.
This is completely wrong. I have no idea how you can say this when it is plainly obvious that ai can create things it never saw.
Question, has watching legal porn, ever made you less likely to want sex? What I'm trying to get at here.. is if bulk material can be generated to arouse those people legally.. I personally don't see how that would translate into less offending
The evidence we have points to the opposite conclusion.
After all, in the last 30 years, we've had an absolute explosion in the availability of freely available adult pornography. If more porn access meant more rape and sexual assault, the rates of these should have skyrocketed over the last 30 years. Instead they've gone down. I wouldn't automatically conclude a causal relationship there. But if availability of porn causes rapes and assaults, then we would know that by now.
I'm blocked from seeing your link for some reason. I wasn't referencing sexual assault of adults for which I gather there's a significant percentage that would consent.. but that's a fair statement that I'm sure there are plenty of adults who have potentially increased their pornography viewing and not had a consenting adult they then went on to SA
How do you verify the age of a fictional character?
In Australia:
Edit: this is a quote of the law, not sure why downvoted
Again, how do you determine that? Sometimes it's obvious, sure, but sometimes it's not. Who decides the age of a fictional character?
One of the biggest and oldest furry art sites recently went through quite a kerfluffle recently because they tried to strictly implement such a ban ... resulting in mass outrage among users as moderators went around arbitrarily and rather capriciously deciding which characters did and didn't look like they were under 18. Lots of artists had their -- purely well-intentioned -- art deleted and were outraged at being accused of producing "child porn" when they had never intended to. Any characters with small breasts or short height (even if they were otherwise clearly adult) were likely to be targeted, drawing further criticism from body positivity advocates, who pointed out that moderators were de-facto identifying certain body types (which some real people have) as 'not adult' and 'not a real woman'. Artists who did fan art of the Pokemon franchise were particularly hard hit, because at least some of the moderators seemed to be of the opinion that pretty much all pokemon were always underage, and therefore always "child porn". And artists with a more 'cartoony' style tended to get hit a lot harder as well, since moderators appeared to believe that simplified characters with less detail meant they were younger. And then there was the diaper fetish crowd, who lost all their stuff, because moderators decided that any depiction of any character (regardless of any other age indicators) was definitely a child if they were in a diaper.
Thankfully, that ended, and decisively so. The site was reorganized, the policy was heavily rewritten (with user input this time), and the worst offenders among the site staff were all fired. Sexual depictions of minors is still against the rules there, but they instituted much clearer, more specific, and more objective guidelines for determining whether a character is or isn't underage.
And that's just an online art site, where the worst thing that could happen is that your art gets deleted and you get banned! I can't imagine risking prison time based on what some prude with a chip on their shoulder decides about the apparent age of a fictional character.
In Japan they just made it illegal.
because the AI is trained on real CSAM, so that's the part they should be prosecuting -- the downloading and storage of real CSAM. It's not like a human who never actually harmed a child using their imagination and creativity to draw something.