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[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

And all of the economic suffering for the lower classes which will happen if balkanization happens?

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

Economic suffering of the lower classes is already guaranteed, as it has been for many decades in the USA, worse and worse practically every year.

The federal government is incredibly expensive, and not worth the cost; we really would be okay without a world-dominating military that can attack anywhere in the world in 24 hours. Our state governments are 100% capable and there is no need of the redundancy.

The FED goliath all costs much more than the returns, and only makes the military and banker profiteers wealthy.

[–] Natanael 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

You don't seem to understand economies of scale

Yes your feds are inefficient, but the cause isn't simply size, it's deliberate wastefulness for political points

And that can be changed

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz -1 points 13 hours ago

And what are you going to do post-balkanization when the southern states decide to legalize slavery?

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Economic suffering of the lower classes is already guaranteed, as it has been for many decades in the USA, worse and worse practically every year.

Literally not. There are ways to reduce suffering via a UBI + rent stabilization + jobs bills like we've done in the past, for instance. It happened during covid—we have the infrastructure. That alone could offset a shitton of unnecessary suffering while they figure out a new economic model. A UBI can be temporary or not if necessary. Point is—there are options. You just gave up is all. That's a you problem. "Economic suffering of the lower classes is already guaranteed"

Even if there is suffering that is going to happen, balkanization is not the best option. It just takes some creative thinking by people.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Pales in comparison to the economic benefit to the global working class if US imperialism ends.

Still not good that workers will suffer, but US balkanization would be a good thing for humanity at large.

[–] Natanael 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Power vacuums doesn't benefit anybody

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I mean, I agree that balkanization isn’t the most ideal scenario. I’d much rather see a socialist revolution take over the whole country. Much better outcomes for nearly everyone.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago

Are you suggesting that the only people who get to have an opinion about the US live within its borders?

That’s pretty out of line when the US is currently aggressing multiple other countries

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Why does that matter to the argument at hand?

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Lets them know their opinion is worthless because they can't answer the question. If they say "not from the states" who will listen to them?

[–] alapakala@quokk.au 3 points 20 hours ago

Is not being balkanized by fascists right now‽