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Going to a good university and getting a degree in STEM means you get a good paying job.
I graduated college in 2022 with an electrical engineering degree and $0 in debt as I worked through it.
I applaud you, I really do. You've shown an awareness of the world as it is that many young people don't seem to have; even as they've been inundated with information that might inform them that THIS IS A TRAP!
I don't fault them, though, because much of that inundation also tells them that if they just 'apply here for $$' they'll be fine and as a kid I know which truth I'd like to believe. My own husband, who is frighteningly bright at all matters other than finance, fell for those same lies.
The truth is that a parent needs to help their kids navigate the "D&D full of monsters dungeon" to take advantage of the build that makes one successful... and while it can be done it's just 'nightmare difficulty'. If you can play through this, the rest of life gets a hell of a lot easier.
If you can't, you're gonna have to rely on politicians to 'make things right'. What's the likelihood of that in this day and age?
@Gingeybook I'd like to posit that you could profit from educating others. Just throwing that out there.
You experiencing the exception to the rule doesn't mean the rule doesn't apply to most everyone else.
It’s not a rule though, it’s working through the degree and being smart about your choices. My parents funded none of my college except meals because I ate at home
Lots of jobs will pay for a degree.
I didn't "experience" the exception, I worked to be the exception.
I'll be the first to admit that I did have some privilege in the fact that I lived with my parents the first 2 years.
But I worked hard to maintain grades so I could maintain scholarships that covered tuition.
I worked most nights during the week so that I could afford to pay for any other expense I had. Books, fees, transportation.
This isn't just a matter of experiencing this situation, I made sacrifices to make it work
My boyfriend literally worked full time through his entire time in college which only covered rent, food, bare necessities, nothing leftover to cover books or tuition. He graduated magna cum laude, straight A student but he didn't get any scholarships. Stayed up till 1 or 2 working at restaurants all week, woke up for 9am classes, both of which he had to bike to because he didn't live on campus or at home like you.
You did experience the exception. Plenty of people make just as many and * way more* sacrifices than you and it doesn't get them nearly as far.
We can't all be doctors, lawyers, engineers, and programmers. And if we all got those degrees companies would start lowering their wages because of the increased competition.
We need people to teach English, manage the environment, contribute to the arts, etc. Makes us a more well-rounded society.
Partner has a STEM master's degree from a good university. I make the same amount in desktop support with no degree.
Dad has an MBA. Works on databases for a living.
Sister has Bachelor's in Industrial Design from a top design school in the US. Has worked for big name industry players. She make more money from her 1 year self-paced coding boot camp.
Most degrees are worthless these days, and it's high time we start demanding refunds. Cancel student debt. The promises made to us in highschool about career paths were blatantly false. Also, tax billionaires.
Not even close. Tech jobs in Canada are often only a few dollars an hour more than min wage.
Tech as in STEM and CS? No possible way engineer gigs of any stripe are that low
Nah UX and business analyst. One needs to be very technical while also very aware of business process and human factors.
Yo, if your in tach getting paid this shit, you need to find a new company.
I’ve been looking for the better half of 2023 after remote work was ended for my position. The job search has been pretty demotivating as it looks like there’s a race to the bottom to cram as many qualifications into positions that pay the absolute least.
From the academic studies I had to research to inform my workplace on pros/cons of remote work, that wasn’t the conclusion. I’m paraphrasing but the majority of those that self reported their own productivity highlighted an overwhelming increase in productivity.
When it came down to aggregate productivity (in jobs with quantifiable KPIs), they found moderate to significant increases in productivity as long as management adjusted their managing style to accommodate remote. This opinion differed the higher up in management that studies polled.
For my workplace specifically, they had invested multiple billions throughout the entire portfolio into longterm building leases (10+ years) and could not leave these agreements so it was easier for upper management to justify the sunken cost of leases than employee opinion or perceived/measured increases in productivity.
I’m sorry but your conclusions you drew aren’t in line with reality, specifically at my organization.
Ego and sunken cost were the main reasons at least at my workplace to reimplement back to work orders.
The majority of higher level management were not able to pivot to a remote scenario and were not willing to invest in the training and additional tech infrastructure necessary to convert to remote by design. It would have required deep restructuring and loss of middle management positions.
Our organization had multiple decades long leases that were signed in 2018. The employer also received heavy lobbying from municipal businesses and government to return to office. A big reason for that was the calculation that a lack of in office presence would cause financial damage to the downtown sector of my city.
There are many facets to this issue and none of them have to do with actual employee productivity.
Wtf....why? Is there just too many of them?
Most junior/entry level positions that I’ve seen in my job search are situated in the $35-45k salary range (some in mid 60s but these were very few when I checked).
They required 3-5 years experience and described multiple roles at once (QA, testing, front end with back end as a strong candidate asset, UI/UX (as if it wasn’t it’s own profession as is).
Those are Canadian jobs. If I was to look at American companies with Canada offices, compensation gets better but the talent pool is super saturated since lots of people are competing for those jobs.