As an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don't want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The thing is we're scared of China and you're the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

If the west is scared of China, then India's PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China's name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country's ideological stance then we do have a lot in common.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 years ago

Maybe I should have said historical ideological similarities. India has been a democracy, which makes you seem much more trustworthy than China. Democracy is having a hard time in many places right now, though.

[–] _lemmy_07@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Where is this statement coming from? India literally took the Galwan issue with China. India lost 20 brave men who were cremated with state honours. It was in the news for weeks. I don't know where your "Nothing happened" statement is coming from. The defence minister/ EAM answered questions on this in parliament.

[–] sfgifz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

There are two sides here - absolute nationalism where India and Modi can do no wrong, and absolute cucks where everything that India, Modi, or Hindus do is all wrong. OP is one of these extremes.

[–] random_prime@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I understand your point of view but don't you think these things should have been considered thoroughly before going public in this manner? It is only fair to ask for conclusive proof if you accuse something serious like this in public. It is safe to assume all diplomatic effort has been failed from both side. Also as far as I read in the news, the investigation itself is ongoing. Don't you think all these confusions could have avoided if Canada decided to go public after concluding the investigation? That way India would have very little wiggle room to refute the hard evidence presented.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That would be good. The thing is spies are involved, so I don't know if all the evidence he can see will be released for decades. I don't think the Prime Minister would have brought it up at all unless he had to, given how terrible this is for everybody.

What do you think, would the Indian government do this? There are a lot of Khalistan supporters in Canada and it seems like Hindutva would argue for a very tough treatment of that, but I'm not Indian.

[–] random_prime@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am a common citizen I literally have no internal knowledge, especially in these top secret national security stuff. As a sane human being what I can say is that incentive to commit the alleged crime is there. That doesn't necessarily mean we actually did it. And yes as a society currently we are in ultra nationalistic clusterf**k. So public sentiment is there to support this kind nefarious behavior domestically.

It is really unfortunate situation. At one hand it's foolish to blindly believe anyone (irrespective of their designation county or affiliation) without concrete evidence, especially regarding issues as serious as this. On the other hand I also kinda understand how hard it is to make espionage related evidences publicly available, even for world leaders. In any case, diplomacy from both sides failed us. Knee jerk reactions in international relationship seldom help.

Above all, what I would like to point out is that, this is a kind of situation where nobody wins.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago

Yes, absolutely agreed.

[–] 1993_toyota_camry@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

The news was going to leak, so he decided to get ahead of it. He very much would have preferred to finish the investigation first

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/harjit-sajjan-hardeep-singh-nijjar-1.6971605

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607

Our government has not released a single statement saying 'we didn't do it' AFAIK. Let us know if you find any.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What evidence do you want to see about a state-sponsored assassination? It's happened twice now and you think it's an accident?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-homicide-victim-wanted-india-1.6975772

Just yesterday.

[–] Rand0mA@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's hardly proof

Not saying it isn't true.. but from that alone nada. someone posting something on twitter and then someone is murdered... must be government?!

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's wanted in India.

[–] Rand0mA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Was* wanted

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago

Well, yeah. Obviously not wanted anymore, since they got him lol.

[–] Hell13no@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And if we didn't there should be equally measured consequences for the once who made acquisitions without adequate proof

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

IIn the past ndia has never been a terrorist country, not even at the worst provocation. But the current regime is fascist and Modi is desperate. As Governor Satya Pal Malik has said about India's PM Modi 'he can do anything, he can go to any extent'.