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Correction, if it wasn't for Soviet involvement, the Germans smashed their military capacity against the Red Army, not the Americans who were lucky to break out of Normandy thanks to the Reds holding down and destroying millions of German soldiers, you Germans love to misread your own history
There's a comparison in that there are nazis in Ukraine who want to cleanse the Donbass and Crimea of Russian speakers, of course that basic fact about this nine year old conflict undermines the propaganda peddled by the same con artists who claimed Saddam had nukes
But again, Euros like you love misreading history so all this probably flew over your head
Good god. How nice of you to clear me up about the history of my own country hahaha. I'm sure the invasion in Normandy was basically a stroll in the park for the Americans. And the Eastern Germans they were so glad about their "liberation" that the Soviet govt had to build a wall to keep people from running away from this GLORIOUS "democratic" state. Even shot people who wanted to exercise their right to leave.
But lets leave it at that. There's no sense in discussing with someone who thinks they are all-knowing keepers of the truth without even knowing the definition of doubt.
Instead of lashing out at me for informing you about basic facts maybe you should brush up on your history
Or you could continue glorifying your own ignorance and regurgitating pop culture propaganda you picked up as a child
Don't be mad that I'm lashing out a bit. At least you're saying clearly that I'm just falling for propaganda, not being able to think critically in your opinion. But I could say the exact same thing about you. Imo it's ignorance to lecture someone about the history of their own country as if that person had never informed themselves or reflected on that history. I didn't want to diminish the role of the Red Army in defeating the nazis, of course they had insane losses and contributed significantly to the victory over nazism. However I don't think that the Americans taking part in it did only play a minor part. Both sides working together was necessary to achieve this. And I don't think it makes any sense to argue about who contributed the most. Also completely besides the point because my argument was about pacifism. And neither the Russians nor the Americans defeated the nazis without weapons.
As an American, I can tell you most Americans need a decades worth of lectures on our own history because we are thoroughly propagandized to believe anything but.
Unless it's a North Korean or Chinese citizen speaking positively about their own country, then you can lecture them about their own country's history