you can ask anyone in the latin america world, which is hundreds of millions of people, and they'll tell you they're western due to historic and cultural and religious ties.

I agree entirely.

why even bring up the germany ww1 portrayal thing are you trying to argue that germany wasn't western until after ww1?

The point is that "Western" is a changing category (for those outside the five eyes anyway) without any rigorously defined criteria. Russia is a good recent example.

your argument against that is because you can imagine some reactionary in america or europe who would disagree?

I don't need to imagine that, and they do disagree. And the reason why what a reactionary thinks matters is because they are unfortunately have a great deal of power.

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

The point is that "Western" is a changing category (for those outside the five eyes anyway) without any rigorously defined criteria. Russia is a good recent example.

It's not a changing category. It's just Europe.

Within Europe, those borders can change. But nothing outside of Europeans (including European Americans) will ever be treated as "Western"