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[–] spectre@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (52 children)

I also do not "like" the state of China, however I am interested in the positive things they do for the people living there, and critical of the negative things.

[–] vexikron@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (51 children)

I mean, same. Theyve managed to accomplish many incredible things in the past decade, but they also have many policies I find reprehensible.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (32 children)

Is it the non-existent genocide of uighurs, the non-existent genocide of Tibet or the crushing of a western color revolt in Hong Kong that got you all libbed up?

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Healthcare system over here.

Press the button Xi!

[–] AbbysMuscles@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My understanding is that it's steadily improving, even if it's not universally free at point of service yet

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's steadily improving, even if it's not universally free at point of service yet

That's like saying American healthcare is steadily improving (pointing at ACA) even if it's not universally free at point of service yet.

China's health insurance model is just as systemically broken as the US's health insurance model, and the only effective resolution will be dumping the entire system.

[–] AbbysMuscles@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Comparing the flaccid improvement of the ACA to the genuine and steady progress that China is bringing to their healthcare seems disingenuous. Health spending has quadrupled in about a decade, see here (most articles seemed to link back to this one); and the state makes sure not to let srug companies throw their cock around (for example as seen in that video widely shared on this site showing state negotiators all but forcing foreign pharma company reps to accept basically selling at cost). And frankly their responses to and attempts to contain COVID were incredible from a public health perspective.

That's just a few examples but they're signs of forward and continuing progress. It is not a sign of government inaction and abandoning people to the whims and ravages of private healthcare as seen in the US.

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Here is a good article - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3776089/

The response to COVID-19 suggests much of the lib author's hand wringing about challenges are easily surmounted if the political will exists.

It also demonstrates some improvement over the last couple of decades from the excesses in the late 90s, and reforms have slowly improved the system (but I still think it's comparable tinkering around the edges).

But again, the response to covid clearly shows at least for healthcare there is a "press to implement socialist healthcare" button.

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's expensive. Xi can only hit so many buttons at once. They will get to it long before we do.

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The cost argument is a cop out, just look at Cuba.

I can accept that Xi wants to focus on strengthening the CPC's foundations (particularly after the more liberal period) and develop China's productive capacity.

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dunno. At this point I am not ready to say I am more of an expert than the CPC about how to do comunism in China. I assume they had a reason related to material conditions. They don't have unlimited time and resources.

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Any marketised and fragmented insurance approach will necessarily be less efficient at delivering good health outcomes than a comparatively centrally planned one.

The reason was going to far looking to the US in the 1980s. The original CPC healthcare model was very different.

There have been some gradual improvements however

In 2017, the comprehensive reform pilot of urban public hospitals was fully carried out, with 93.9 percent of urban public hospitals canceling drug markup, effectively controlling the unreasonable growth of medical expenses in public hospitals. In May 2018, the National Healthcare Security Administration was formally established as an institution directly under The State Council. China’s medical security undertakings entered the stage of development in a more standardized way, with comprehensive reform of public hospitals, canceled drug markups, official drug purchase with volume, DRGS and other new policies

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