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New cars bought in the UK must be zero emission by 2035 (www.theregister.com)
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[–] AcidOctopus@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago (4 children)

New cars are ludicrously expensive, especially EVs.

The most I can afford to spend on a car is maybe £14K, and that's under the proviso that about £4K of that is my own money and the rest is a loan to be paid off over about 6 or 7 years.

So yeah, I'm going secondhand ICE with about 50K miles on the clock and praying it doesn't die before the loan is paid off (and preferably longer still so I can save a bit more towards the next one).

I'm all for EVs, but they've got to bring the price down, and they've got to get the batteries to last long enough for the secondhand market to be viable.

[–] highenergyphysics@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Most importantly. Where the fuck are renters supposed to charge these fucking things?

This is why mass EV adoption is not going to happen. Good luck convincing landlords to install chargers.

I’m not dicking around for 2 hours at a station every week waiting for a charge, let alone multiple times a week.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is why mass EV adoption is not going to happen. Good luck convincing landlords to install chargers.

If you install a charger, you will get a 25% tax cut for the next 5 years, if not you will get a 25% tax increase for the next 5 years.

Seems pretty convincing to me ;-)

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

So I assume this is a Labour policy is it, because the zero chance of the Tories ever doing anything like that.

Having a positive effect on the world, that's not what they do.

[–] Oddbin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Look at Dundee for your answers.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Certainly something that needs to be addressed by them, or manufacturers will not be able to sell them. They will be punished unless they help with solutions.

I’ve seen several possibilities floated around here, so we have 12 years to build out one or more of them

  • landlords with off street parking can be incented or required to provide chargers, by zoning changes. Also at some point they won’t be able to find tenants unless they do
  • faster batteries will help reduce the wait time if you visit a supercharger once a week. It seems like we’re already down to half an hour to charge 5%—>80%
  • slow chargers at every destination (work, shops, restaurants) can keep you always topped off cheaply and without waiting
  • some street parking is conducive to charging, such as with pre-existing streetlight wiring
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

some street parking is conducive to charging, such as with pre-existing streetlight wiring

Some little old biddy is going to trip over the cable though.

With personal charges it's on your private property so there's less of an issue. The public street it becomes a problem

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
  1. That’s one reason many chargers have short cables
  2. I really like the proposal someone here has, where you need to bring your own cable.
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't understand how either of those things fixes the problem though.

The cable has to be at least long enough to go from the lamp post to the curb which therefore requires it to cross the pavement. So it can't be any shorter than the necessary length plus the distance that is required to travel over the car in case the charger is on the other side. Most cables are already not much longer than that.

I also fail to see the benefit in people bringing their own cables, all that does is it means that the cable isn't there when you're not charging, but it's still a problem when you are charging.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If the cable belongs to individuals:

  • they can be ticketed for causing a hazard to pedestrians
  • there’s no problem with an unused cable not being hung up
  • the part of the charger most likely to be damaged or vandalized is easily replaceable
  • a newly parked person can still charge, even if the previous one was vandalized
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I bought my 2yo BMW i3 EV in 2019 for £18k. Granted, they weren't as popular back then, but cheaper second hand EVs do exist. You just can't go for the big SUV types.

Just hit 60k miles with my only issue being a broken suspension mount. Damn potholes.

[–] PopShark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Murican potholes are the bane of BMWs everywhere (I speak from experience)

Except maybe the SUVs idk but sedans yeah I have an F30 and basically check alignment once or twice a year now lol

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Battery prices per kWh dropped 87% from 2010 to 2020. It's likely to be around the same over the next decade--there's tons of money pouring into research, and we're far from theoretical limits. This is not going to be a problem by 2030.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

This is one of the things a deadline like this should help with. Manufacturers know they need to sell a certain percentage of EVs, going to 100% on a specific date. They can’t just build them, they have to sell them. If EVs are still too expensive, they won’t be able to sell them, and the manufacturer is out of luck