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Estonia announced that the country may be forced to close its border crossing points with Russia due to increased migration pressures, Estonian Police and Border Guard announced on Feb. 13.

"In recent weeks, Russia has deliberately directed to the Estonian border groups of foreigners lacking the legal right to enter the European Union," the statement reads. "If these activities continue, we will be forced to close border crossing points to protect national security and public order, as has already been done in Finland due to migration pressure."

The Estonian government has noted an influx of migrants and asylum seekers from Russia over recent months.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There are innocent civilians trying to flee Putin's regime. Civilians who want no part of his war. They should be allowed to seek asylum like any refugee.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 52 points 1 year ago (35 children)

Estonia is a tiny country of a little over a million people and we already took on the most Ukrainian refugees per population and we currently have issues housing them. If Russians need refuge in another country they need to look elsewhere.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why can't Estonia send them elsewhere in the EU?

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any law that prohibits people that are fleeing a war from entering a country is a pro-war inhumane law that shouldn't exist. It is only moral to break any law that stops you from saving someone's life. A lot of people like to imagine that during ethnic cleansing in their countries they would be heroes that shelter people in secret, but it is obvious that even people who consider themselves left-wing, value law (the will of the state) more than human life.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm just explaining, not defending the regulation. If you ask me, all borders are tools of oppression. The goal should be to have a world where anyone is free to go where they please and build a life where they want to be. I know there are problems with that, but let's at least agree that prohibiting people from moving to greener pastures is an imperfect solution that could be resolved without the violence inherent in borders as movement barriers (rather than borders delineating jurisdiction, which is fine)

I agree. Thank you then for your explaining. Sorry for misinterpreting your comment.

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (20 children)

There are innocent civilians trying to flee Putin’s regime. Civilians who want no part of his war. They should be allowed to seek asylum like any refugee.

Yes they are, but Russia also uses migration as a pervert way of its hybrid warfare to pressure european countries and to create confusion and disarray .

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[–] ALERT@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

are they being badly treated? forcefully enlisted? killed? their life is the same as before the full-scale invasion, their life is the same as before 2014. so why the heck do they need protection?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

are they being badly treated? forcefully enlisted? killed?

In thousands of cases, yes.

their life is the same as before the full-scale invasion

Bullshit. The overbroad sanctions and boycotts as well as acts of the tyrannical Putin government have changed the lives of almost all Russians and foreign residents dramatically for the worse.

their life is the same as before 2014.

Again, talking out of your ass.

so why the heck do they need protection?

For the same reason as all other refugees: because they're fleeing violence, oppression and societal collapse.

[–] ALERT@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We had this with Yanukovich. Got rid of him. Maybe instead of fleeing, they should take over their country? The question is rhetorical.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Comparing Yanukovic to Putin is like comparing apples and orchards. Putin is so much more powerful and entrenched that the very notion is ridiculous.

Here's a rhetorical question for you: are you arguing in bad faith or are you just an absolute moron?

[–] ALERT@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm just a Ukrainian living in Kyiv. If I were living in Eastern Ukraine, I would have wished them all dead.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry for what you and your country are going through, but it doesn't mean you know anything about how powerful and entrenched the Russian government is. Clearly.

If I were living in Eastern Ukraine, I would have wished them all dead.

The ones LEAVING Russia to AVOID the war? They've never done anything against you.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thank God every day that this Ukrainian has you to educate him on the nuances of Ukrainian/Russian politics.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Being Ukrainian doesn't make it any less wrong to assume that it's easy to overthrow Putin and demand that refugees should stay in countries that are likely to kill them and/or force them to kill others.

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