this post was submitted on 18 Feb 2024
29 points (96.8% liked)

chat

8151 readers
2 users here now

Chat is a text only community for casual conversation, please keep shitposting to the absolute minimum. This is intended to be a separate space from c/chapotraphouse or the daily megathread. Chat does this by being a long-form community where topics will remain from day to day unlike the megathread, and it is distinct from c/chapotraphouse in that we ask you to engage in this community in a genuine way. Please keep shitposting, bits, and irony to a minimum.

As with all communities posts need to abide by the code of conduct, additionally moderators will remove any posts or comments deemed to be inappropriate.

Thank you and happy chatting!

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

so, background, I'm currently workshopping a Disco Elysium/Touhou Project fusion fanfic (Disco concept, Gensokyo setting) and, since I already pay for NovelAI for recreational purposes, I figured I'd generate some character/skill portraits for it to accentuate the presentation of it.

Here's some of the better ones as of yet, alongside the one in the thumbnail.

However, I am conflicted on actually using them.

I figured I'd outsource the question because I've been thinking about it for a week and am no closer to resolving the internal contradiction. Here's what I've been thinking thus far:

Concerns: I have moral concerns about the scraping and the 'ask-for-forgiveness-not-permission' philosophy that is central to these major generative models. I also think, in the context of it's use within the hands of the bourgeoisie, AI is used as a tool of displacement and discipline. I also know that there is generally a negative perception of people who use AI image generation, for mostly valid reasons as most self-proclaimed 'AI artists' are coomers/techbros who make it a mission to discredit and disparage human artists. Even though I don't fall into this category, I'm worried that I'd open up a vector of harassment where there otherwise wouldn't be one if I include them, and I don't want to deal with that.

Benefits: It adds to the vibes of the fic, and I think there's a tangible enhancement with adding visuals to it. I also like what I've output so far.

Caveats: I don't plan to make money off of this. I don't have the disposable income to commission portraits for what ultimately is a fanwork that I don't plan to profit off of and don't have enough investment in to sink money into. The concerns are specifically what are holding me back in adding them, because it would be nice to add a visual component.

I just wanted to get a vibe check on here for this use case. Want to see if it will help me resolve the internal contradiction I've tangled myself in shrug-outta-hecks


edit: I'll err on the side of caution and drop the visual aspect of it, thanks for the feedback

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see any issue. You are not making money off of the product, nor did you intend to pay an artist in the first place.

My only concern is that it contributes towards the normalization of generative AI use, but that is a battle already lost.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and anyone using the normalization argument had better have the purest media history mankind has ever seen, or else they're doing a heckin normalization too!! very-intelligent

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't understand what you mean by this comment. Could you reword it in clearer terms?

[–] RION@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Sure - If the argument is that using and engaging with generative AI normalizes its use, pretty much everyone consuming media at the moment is normalizing negative practices in much the same way by consuming it.

That being said, I think it's okay to draw lines in the sand for causes more personally relevant to you, but you have to acknowledge that you're doing that on a personal whim and make peace with other people's whims in that sense. Otherwise, you're either an ascetic or you're a hypocrite.