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N.B. misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed (uninternalize your reddit MRA today: men suffer some drawbacks under the patriarchy but ultimately still maintain it due to the large amount of privileges they receive under it!)

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[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed

Structural misandry doesn't exist, but "misandry isn't real" is not something I'd agree with. It exists on an individual level. It's just not a real systemic issue.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There's definitely cases of structural misandry, it's just not as nearly as common as structural misogyny. There are fields of work where men are definitely discriminated against/less preferred. Divorce/child custody is historically slanted towards women, although that's downstream of historical misogynistic forces (women having trouble with employment, pay equity, etc) and it's become more equitable. I think you could make the argument that combat military service in some countries being restricted solely to men is a form of structural misandry.

Just to reiterate, I am not trying to do gender wars. I am gender Switzerland.

[–] AutomatedPossum@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

When you have a clear opressor side and a clear opressed side, you do not bothsides things, that's literally all lives matter tier shit. The points you are making are key talking points of manosphere chuds arguing against feminism, and that kind of shit is coming up on here over and over again, not only by one day old accounts, but by people who've been posting here for ages.

It would be fucking ridiculous how open to antifeminist, misogynist reasoning hexbear is if it wasn't so obnoxiously common even in leftist spaces. Don't be surprised when women are "misandrist", never trusting a man is a normal, necessary survival instinct for us.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Idk to me it still makes more sense to frame it in the context of feminism internalized misogyny

it really seems my tomboy wife who was influenced by her dad to be a boy because he wanted a boy and thus she inititially hated women (they treated her badly growing up, continued to hate them and uhh say weird stuff like women are inherently manipulative when she is moreso really headstrong and act before you think) and when she hated men it wasn't for stuff you could not explain by sayinf they were chuds or cruddy.

Where as with most hatred towards women does seem to be poorly explained without the conception of a patriarchy or as women being considered or once considered property of men.

[–] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also disagree with the idea it isn’t real at all, but only because it lets second-wave “feminist” transphobes off the hook for their gender essentialist beliefs to imply it doesn’t exist in any capacity. It is however not really real in any way that actually affects cis men.

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you already called it what it is: gender essentalism. There is nothing the word misandry does that is useful that isn't covered by essentalism.

[–] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh you’re absolutely correct, I just meant that the very specific idea of someone theoretically disliking men is real. Because like duh people believe many many things. It probably shouldn’t be called misandry, especially when said term takes attention away from the people the behavior actually harms.