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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unusable by almost everyone that's disabled, most of the elderly, and cannot carry any significant amount of goods.

Difficult to impossible to carry more than a single passenger as well, which reduces range and energy efficiency steeply when it is done.

You can negate part of those difficulties with variations on the bicycle, including tri and quad bikes, but you still run into range limitations that are incompatible with living anywhere but a city.

The posted text is yet another example of someone with a narrow view of how life actually works outside of their own situation. I used to love riding a bike. Can't now because of disability, but it also would have made my main job impossible back when I could still work. You can't ride a bike thirty miles across mountainous terrain in snow and ice to get to a patient's house. You simply can not do it with any regularity at all, no matter what condition you're in.

Even in cities, you're still limited by weather and time.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unusable by almost everyone that's disabled, most of the elderly, and cannot carry any significant amount of goods.

Damn, I should call my 80 year old mom and tell her to stop doing her shopping on her bike. She'll pass it along to all her friends of similar age when they bike to the community centre together, I'm sure.

you still run into range limitations that are incompatible with living anywhere but a city.

Damn, so it only works for 274 million Americans and 555 million Europeans who don't live rural.

but it also would have made my main job impossible back when I could still work. You can't ride a bike thirty miles across mountainous terrain in snow and ice to get to a patient's house.

Oh no, it doesn't work for everyone all the time everywhere. Since this isn't a perfect solution for everything always, we should just completely ignore it and never use it.

I do 90% of my trips by bike, but sometimes I have to work at a construction site or a factory complex or some other middle-of-nowhere place, so I go by car. But when I go grocery shopping, or to a cafe, or out for dinner, or to my friends nearby, I go by bike. Most of the time I go to the DIY store, or clothes shopping, or just for fun, I go by bike.

And when it doesn't work, I take the car, but it's by far the minority of trips.

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I completely agree with your arguments, but may I kindly ask you to not use such aggressive tone? This place is generally very kind, and it is saddening to see aggression coming from seemingly nowhere. The same arguments can be listed politely.

[–] Please_RTFA@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Their tone is downright pleasant compared to much of lemmy

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Wanna some good old Internet toxicity?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Distance. An hour commute or a 20 minute trip to the grocery store. We killed walkable neighborhoods so now here we are. Trapped.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Open your own grocery store. Or allow others to do so.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would if I could. But I can't beat Walmart prices an hour away on Transit.

[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's why you don't see 15 minute cities anymore. Capitalism already figured out that a few large stores allow you to hire more efficient numbers of employees, buy more for less, stock better variety, pass along some of the savings to customers and still make more profit than building lots and lots of repeated commercial infrastructure throughout residential areas. A return to that model would require more employees in low paying service jobs, and would sacrifice lower prices and better variety. Ironically, it would be far faster to use a car to skip from store to store to look for the best deals and the specific brands you want. I suppose we could also get rid of capitalism at the same time, but I'm not holding my breath. As much as I like the idea of walkable infrastructure, it comes at a cost that I am not sure many would be willing to pay.

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

But we can't have 15 minute cities because...that's tyranny somehow?

[–] peyotecosmico@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Every time I see this kind of post I just wish they would try to go to work in a +40 degree Celsius environment.

It must be nice to work in a place that won't mind if you arrive drenched in sweat.

Edit: I love the hive mind

[–] dlhextall@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Honestly, no matter the mode of transportation, I'd arrive drenched in sweat in a 40° environment.

[–] EvokerKing@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The fact is goes as far as as fast as you can isn't really a good thing. Also collisions are more likely to kill you.

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

...aaand we're back to adjusting our speed to suit the circumstances.

Cities are inhospitable, but mostly because they're built around 1 tonne death traps as opposed to other means of transport

[–] EvokerKing@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

You won't be able to adjust it very high. And what is a better solution than 1 ton death traps? Is it trains? No. That would require rebuilding every city in America to be like 4 buildings and nothing else and the places where it would work already have it like new York. Is it buses? No. They are already in place and nobody uses them. So tell me, what is the actual solution besides cars?

[–] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bruh I live 26 miles from where I work by car, and 21 miles by biking per Google Maps. And most of it is highway travel. It would make my commute over 1.5 hrs.

It is the dream if/when we can move closer though.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if entire cities were designed around these the way they are with cars, everyone would be fine with it and you would live less than 6 miles from where you work.

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I live in the hills. bikes are a pain in the dick over here :(

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[–] Skates@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] Ruscal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No need for parking

Yeah, just look how Nederlands or Belgium looks like xD

[–] frunch@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Rookie numbers.

Have you ever seen a walmart parking lot in person? You can fit the Netherlands and part of Belgium in one.

[–] sirdorius@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago (5 children)
  • Will be yours for an average of 1.2 days in a major city before it gets stolen
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[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cause you can't actually GO anywhere on a bike. If you want to go somewhere 200 miles away for a week, it'd take a day and a half each way, minimum, and you can't bring anything with you bigger than a backpack. It's also physically strenuous to go literally anywhere, even the places you are allowed to go.

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can't sleep in it. Gotta haul your groceries. Won't get you to the next state and back.

Y'all are deluded.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

All I’m saying is nobody ever got a great ass because they drove a car a lot.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Bikes are ableist aren’t they? They work well for you if you don’t have any physical or cognitive issues.

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