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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Donald Trump's claim he would invest £1bn in a golf resort was misleading, according to the man who helped broker the deal.

Well yeah.

Why have people continually believed this man's lies and fraud for decades now? So many people who should know better.

He has fucked over everyone he could his whole life but so many people seem to think, "well he won't fuck me over."

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

its greed. he flashes money in front of them, and being humans they fall for it. its always money.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So this isn't at all in response to what you wrote or this specific situation, but your comment spurred this out of me regardless, so feel free to ignore.

To clarify, the small business owners that he regularly screws aren't "greedy," they're jumping at a chance to grow their business. I fell for this trap once, the billionaire even flaunted to me about how he was in the process of suing his former partners because they "screwed him." Well, I wanted so badly for the deal to be real (because it would mean growing my business to the point that I could hire on employees, talking maybe a dozen or so $22/hour jobs that would have meant solidifying the business. I could finally invest in some much needed machinery, find a better location... so many things I wanted to do with that sale) that I ignored all the red flags. Ended up getting royally screwed, lost everything. Business, assets, all of it. Gone.

Chalk it up to inexperience, and naivety of trusting a billionaire to operate in good faith and in accordance to the contract he signed (and to a greater extent naivety that our justice system worked for poor people). But greed? I wouldn't call it that.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If an extreme desire to grow your business to a degree that it clouds your judgement ISN'T greed ... you should revisit the definition of greed.

Not all greedy people are rich.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man i trusted someone to do what they signed a contract SAYING they would do. I wasn't over charging them, I wasn't doing anything shady besides trusting someones word. I'm not the one who deliberately fucked over a small business, that's the other guy. I trusted someone rich to pay me what they owe and I got fucked.

But yeah just call me greedy, cool.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they signed a contract, ream their ass in court.

If you signed a contract that cannot be enforced in court ... again, blinding greed or rampant stupidity for a business owner.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I took that contract to 3 lawyers, all said the same thing, "they're too rich to sue. they'd stretch the legal battle out for years, you'd have to cover all our fees, and even if you won, they probably wouldn't pay anyway because they're rich enough to have their assets held by another entity."

Now who's being naive?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

thats a lot of words to say 'its not greedy to grow your business', but i would counter your greed clouded your own naive judgement. which , to my point, is only human.

who are you trying to convince?

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

The last line made a good comment a dick comment.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you're victim blaming. do you do the same to rape victims? say it's their fault because they're sluts? I shouldn't have dressed like a business owner who wants to get screwed, sorry, that's my fault. I should have covered up.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

rape the world, shes dressed like she wants it

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It looks like you're trying to make an edgy point, but failed. Would you like some help with that?

no thanks, im happy with me.

children are a renewable resource. think green.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth -1 points 1 year ago

So get paid first

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because the secret truth of the world is: rich people are the dumbest motherfuckers on this planet because they've been challenged the least, yet moronic humans CONSTANTLY assume they must be rich because they "earned it".

The problem is with human stupidity.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know that 'stupid' is the right word. I think it's arrogance and ignorance that no one could possibly cheat them because they're rich and powerful. They might be smart in other ways, but their narcissism makes them make stupid choices.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yea that's fair. I do tend to use generic terms like "stupid" when a decision is so asinine as to be a stupid decision regardless of motivation ... but intent always matters.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Back in the '80s we knew he was a scumbag. We laughed at him and his antics.

I can't understand how he can still get people to believe him.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I don't get it either. When The Art of the Deal came out, there were tons of stories about how it was all bullshit. And there was also the Central Park Five thing.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's file this under N for No Shit.

Also, I doubt they were hoodwinked by Trump. They were probably hoodwinked by some high up official who fucking knew Trump wouldn't be good for it but got all the kickbacks ahead of time.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Promised kickbacks, but also never got them.

Cause even people who work for him get screwed.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No, I actually believe he "pays" his kickbacks, except never in a way that actually costs him money.

I'm sure he gives his benefactors free memberships in his country clubs, free stays at his properties, government positions, private sector positions in his companies, and more importantly, his other allies companies.

SCOTUS appointments didn't cost him a dime, but earned him the undying loyalty of the federalist and most of the GOP.

He wheels and deals favors, not cash. And ever since he took the GOP and the country by the balls, he hasn't even bothered with the favors part unless he really has to.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Can confirm, live nearby to where it happened and was aware of all the shit going down at the time.. Trumps planning permission was denied initially until the local government came in and forced it through anyway.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The Trump Organization has previously said it spent around £100m on the Aberdeenshire golf resort but its latest accounts show the facility has a net book value of £33.2m and 81 employees.

In addition to the golf course, the original proposal also included approval for a 450-room hotel, 950 holiday apartments, 36 golf villas and 500 houses for sale.

None of these elements, and the thousands of new jobs promised, have materialised so far - and the golf resort has yet to turn a profit, racking up £13.3m in losses since it opened.

The scale of the grift is the most impressive aspect.

Edit: I don’t know why the app I’m using is fucking up the quote format. I tried to include line breaks. Apologies.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Format looks fine on sync app now

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'm using Connect. It looks good.

[–] Kben@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Watched a documentry about this before Trump became president.The man is a lying scumbag who treats people like shit.How he conned his way into the whitehouse astounds me.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

He was conned in as pootin's personal idiot is how

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When you trust a liar, you get lied to. You knew who he was.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Is every evening going to be dedicated to that man?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know this all happened before Trump got into politics, but it still seems like a strange thing to be surprised by.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He was well known for not paying his bills and tanking businesses that he was involved with long before he got interested in politics. Yet people still think he's trustworthy or some sort of business genius.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They think the same thing about Elon so I guess you can’t trust the judgement of many people.

[–] Skkorm@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

lmao wtf did you think would happen, it's Trump.

Imagine supporting him lol. I'm at the point now where I just laugh at them.